Don't recognize new one (I'm a one-team fan, really).

I was just looking for a little camaraderie.

<Sigh>

Jesus

Maybe we are "naive" and "unsophisticated"?

The torture scenes are a very small percentage of the film. Sheesh based on some folks here you'd think we were talking about the Saw movies or Hostel.

"Why is a film about torture considered entertainment?"

Like Princess Bride, Clockwork Orange or the First Star Wars movie? Or Goodfellas? Or Misery? Braveheart?

I dunno... I guess a lot of people enjoy a bit of escapism while knowing the difference between allegory and non-fiction.

Sometimes, the torture is merely a plot device rather than an icon to be seen, worshiped and avowed. Like an argument being depicted in a film... no one likes to argue (well, the cleverer-than-thou set like to argue, but that's merely for their own self-validation), but half of Tennessee Williams 'Cat on A Hot Tin Roof' is nothing but argument-- does this mean we actually like couples being vulgar to each other? Or merely that we can gradually see more additional bits and pieces of a character when we allow the plot to work for us rather than fighting vainly against it...?

something and be a good person.

How would you watch anything?

The entire horror/thriller genre is out, Gone with the Wind, The Accused and Streetcar named desire are out because they have rape scenes. You cannot watch any historical account of wars, any realistic account of the middle ages, feudalism, the Roman empire, etc. is probably out since all of those featured horrific treatment of people as a matter of course.

I guess any documentary of slavery or the holocaust is out.

It doesn't leave much. I guess all good people can watch is reruns of sesame street and Mr. Rogers.

IMHO it was the focus of a few people with the eye on the prize, not just looking to
pass it bureaucratically

good solid detective work

which is how President Obama wants to deal with this- court of law like, though he is constantantly unable due to the Peter Kings out there.

They could have dropped a bunker busting bomb, but then, who would have been sure if they got the prize or didn't.

This was was solid 100% proof.

and i wasn't a fan of Hurt Locker, found that boring

but this was edge of the seat suspense, even knowing the ending
Very quick 2hours 45 minutes.

BTW, they show more torture in one episode of Homeland or 24.
And wonder, who came first, Mya or Carrie of Homeland?
couldn't be coincidental that both were so similiar, especially as they say the real person in ZDT does not look like Chastain looks like.

and 24 week in week out was worse torture wise, and far more rightwing.

but

who in the world wouldn't have wanted a drone droped on OBL the day before he gave the orders for 9-11 and saved all those people's lives?

Torture is not new in US policy; just this damn internet is pulling back curtains.

Granted, that wasn't for a prisoner so, different situation. A pretty dispiriting use of tax dollars, but it was effective. Funny how that gets no attention.

much of a problem with the possibility that torture may have yielded useful results. I'm not saying I advocate it now or did then but it had already been done. In that respect I won't let it prevent me from seeing the film or tarnishing my experience. The trailers look really good.

Bold added for emphasis:

what their intent was on this?

The man was tortured, then given a nice little sandwich and then, when he still refused to talk was threatened with with more torture.

http://gregmitchellwriter.blogspot.com/2013/01/this-blogger-matt-cornell-makes-fine.html

Really, you can watch the scene at the link.

They were slapping the hell out of the guy, water boarding him and he kept quiet (or flat out lied). Once they fed him, he was chatty as hell.

Just watched it last night. Came away with the very same thoughts.

I guess some people think that if we just pretend that the torture didn't happen, then...


.. well crap...

.. I honestly don't know what they are wringing their hands about.

And making a massive, multi-million dollar movie about it, putting it in every theatre in the land, and throwing "awards" at it are two very, very different things. The first is denial and unhealthy, the latter is glorifying inhumane acts. But it's okay because ... I dunno, Kill Osama?

You haven't seen it, right?

How do you think I might be able to know that?

Torture didn't really work, did it.

Detective work and bribes worked much better.

and persistence!

"I can always hang you up again"

Osama...so we can torture but if we commit Human Error
the Torture isn't really working is it


Torture doesn't work and if you think that movie showed it did
I think you need to look at it again

we found Osama 10 years later .....even with torture and trillions of dollars and violating every law in the book

Osama was either brilliant or we are just not getting our money's worth

The pearl-clutchers from what I gathered have not.

The victory lap for the security state.

I can't believe so many DUers paid to see this.

Sorry it upsets you so...

I have a huge problem with that individual being the excuse for 10 years of bankrupting the country while undermining civil liberties and making the security state the norm for our everyday lives.

On this day in DU History, I'm not merely agreeing with you, but Agreeing with you.

(Not that you or I particularly give a shit, but if this can happen, there's hope for Israel and Palestine)

Bush made it damn clear he didn't give a shit, and he certainly didn't mind the political convenience of having an elusive boogeyman out there to justify all the shit he wanted to do.

I completely agree! It did wonders to re-elect him in 2004.

the Monthly Osama Videos

Be afraid America Be terribly afraid
Patriot Act Homeland Security

Wiretapping OK Torture OK Trillions of dollars missing OK
exposing CIA Agents OK

Lying about WMD and doing a preemptive Strike on Iraq
OK

It is all OK because we are hunting for a guy with a beard who has a room full of outdated computers