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N7Shepard

(220 posts)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:13 AM Jan 2012

If capital gains are double taxation as conservatives assert

So Warren Buffett is double taxed because the corporations he invests in pay taxes then he pays a capital gains tax rate.

Isn't his secretary then triple taxed? Because her source of income is taxed at the corporate level, at the capital gains level, and at the ordinary income and FICA levels?

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metalbot

(1,058 posts)
1. Her income isn't taxed at the corporate level
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:21 AM
Jan 2012

Corporations are taxed on profits. Her salary is part of the costs of the company doing business - the company doesn't pay taxes on her salary, because it isn't profit.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. The same argument would then apply to the investor....
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:27 AM
Jan 2012

... my personal preference would be to eliminate corporate taxes and tax capital gains at rates similar to (or higher than) payroll.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
9. I'm not sure how...
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 12:41 PM
Jan 2012

Profits
- Expenses
--------------
Taxable Income
-Taxes
--------------
Income available to investors

Note: This only applies to C corps (all public corporations)

So increasing a secretaries salary by $1 only costs investors $0.65.

One interesting (and not necessarily good) outcome of this system is that interest expense is deductible, while dividends are not. This leads to companies taking on more debt than they might otherwise because it increases profits to investors.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
3. Maybe people should start becoming corporations. Let's tax people on their profits.
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:42 AM
Jan 2012

It would lower my tax bill considerably if I could deduct the costs of my own maintenance from my profits as an employee. Housing, insurance, car payments, gasoline, food, medical bills and insurance, clothing, gas and electric. I can't operate as an employee unless I have food, shelter, and transportation to work.



annabanana

(52,791 posts)
4. damn skippy.. you NAILED it!
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:44 AM
Jan 2012

I wonder what percentage of the American people are operating at a deficit?

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
5. I would like to remind everyone that if the capital gains tax was zero, Mittens would have paid 0%
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 11:53 AM
Jan 2012

And that's what the GOP and the rich want - no taxes for those who already don't pay their fair share.

Why can't the average American understand this??

PurityOfEssence

(13,150 posts)
10. Taxes paid by corporations affect what they pay their employees...
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 01:19 PM
Jan 2012

The whole double taxation spiel is tiresome. Taxes are one of the prices one pays for all of the advantages of a specialized society.

After all, the taxes that a corporation pays will be at least some factor in what the employees are paid, so one could also say that an employee is being double taxed too...

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