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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:03 AM Jan 2013

What Kind of President Takes On The NRA?

President Obama on Wednesday will formally announce the most aggressive and expansive national gun-control agenda in generations as he presses Congress to mandate background checks for all firearm buyers and prohibit assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.


Gun control? Electoral suicide, right? What kind of"pragmatic," "centrist," DLC-leaning inspirer of "Obamabots," "moderate Republican," "Republican-lite" Democrat would touch that issue with a ten-foot pole?

The Washington Post has an opinion:

The announcement will set off a fierce confrontation with Congress over an issue that has riven American society for decades. Obama’s far-reaching firearms agenda has at best tepid support from his party leaders and puts him at loggerheads with Democratic centrists.


"Democratic centrists" ought to be the least of the President's worries. Never mind the fact that he's facing the most hostile and virulent Republican House in living memory. One which is threatening to tank the U.S. and world economy out of sheer racist spite, while waving their guns in execration at its bloated corpse.

Yes, this is a fine time to bring up gun control.

Days before his second inauguration, Obama is seeking to drive the guns debate in a way that contrasts with the accommodating approach he often took during his first term. In the weeks ahead, he will attempt to rally popular support to bend the will of lawmakers to vote for what he considers the ideal, not merely the possible.


The rest: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/15/1179312/-What-Kind-of-President-Takes-on-The-NRA
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What Kind of President Takes On The NRA? (Original Post) JaneyVee Jan 2013 OP
Mine. russspeakeasy Jan 2013 #1
+Bazillion. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #22
my President... BHO oldhippydude Jan 2013 #2
I hope you're right! BainsBane Jan 2013 #8
i am a 66 year old white heterosexual male oldhippydude Jan 2013 #13
Thanks. Talks softly. Gets it done anyway. freshwest Jan 2013 #21
I remember a year ago calling for action on gun control reform on DU... ellisonz Jan 2013 #3
They still refuse to look at public opinion polls BainsBane Jan 2013 #11
They just can't handle the truth. n/t ellisonz Jan 2013 #14
well I think the murder of 20 first graders might, just might dsc Jan 2013 #15
Exactly. I'm so Cha Jan 2013 #18
I think so to ellisonz Jan 2013 #19
He said himself he wasn't going to take away anyone's guns during the campaign. Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #28
Banning new sales is not "taking away." ellisonz Jan 2013 #31
I will wait for the polls six months from now Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #33
My kind of a President. It's time for a national conversation on the $175 billion cost of carnage. libdem4life Jan 2013 #4
Biden did say BO has a spine of steel.... ProfessionalLeftist Jan 2013 #5
I want more Secret Service NOW.... alittlelark Jan 2013 #6
+1 glinda Jan 2013 #24
I know! I kind of wish he'd wait until after inauguration ecstatic Jan 2013 #42
It really seems like a lot of very critical issues are colliding together right now... namaste2 Jan 2013 #50
A courageous president. n/t Cracklin Charlie Jan 2013 #7
My President! sheshe2 Jan 2013 #9
President Barack Obama spanone Jan 2013 #10
George Herbert Walker Bush? MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #12
Surprising things happened under George H.W. Bush. BlueCheese Jan 2013 #41
"No, I'm not a fan of his" but yet, you felt compelled to bring his name into the conversation Number23 Jan 2013 #56
What's your guess here? MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #57
"Any chance that I was making a point that this is simply what Presidents do?" Number23 Jan 2013 #58
Well... that must be it. MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #60
Spend it wisely, dear. Number23 Jan 2013 #61
Both Clinton and Johnson did dsc Jan 2013 #16
Good Find, JaneyVee! Cha Jan 2013 #17
+1 freshwest Jan 2013 #25
And if it fails, do just Repugs get the blame, or is Obama holding the short end of the stick? Dustlawyer Jan 2013 #20
one of the greatest of President's would support and champion gun control samsingh Jan 2013 #23
But we could lose the 1994 election! MightyMopar Jan 2013 #27
i think we lost that one samsingh Jan 2013 #38
but we could save alot of lives in the present and win 2014, 2016 samsingh Jan 2013 #39
One that is not worried about being re-elected. B Calm Jan 2013 #26
A majority support this. The NRA is NOT A MAJORITY. They Just Have Enough Money To Get Air Time KittyWampus Jan 2013 #29
The NRA is not a majority of the NRA. Deep13 Jan 2013 #36
The president I voted for in 2008 Gman Jan 2013 #30
Our president. nt awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #32
A real one. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #34
A father to young children loyalsister Jan 2013 #35
My President, thank you. Hekate Jan 2013 #37
Bill Clinton BlueCheese Jan 2013 #40
Punish the criminal not the law abiding citizen nan4tjn Jan 2013 #43
blah, blah blah, honeypie. thanks for the stinking pile of NRA dogshit, pumpkin. now fuck off, cali Jan 2013 #46
It's only those... Bodega Bandit Jan 2013 #44
PBO takes on the NRA but still lacks the courage to have an open and frank discussion about legal stultusporcos Jan 2013 #45
Polls show that an overwhelming percentage of Americans favor stricter gun controls. Scuba Jan 2013 #47
These are exactly the changes..... sendero Jan 2013 #48
I think President Obama feels this one acutlely as a father Danmel Jan 2013 #49
This President will go down in History as the Best EVER !!! flying-skeleton Jan 2013 #51
One who is finally, four years later, tavernier Jan 2013 #52
A Rootin' Tootin' Straight Shootin' One. nolabear Jan 2013 #53
Bad Ass notundecided Jan 2013 #54
one with brass ones sad-cafe Jan 2013 #55
one who doesn't have to worry about getting elected again? datasuspect Jan 2013 #59

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
2. my President... BHO
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jan 2013

they said the same thing about same sex marriage not long go... He supported he won.... he can read the handwriting on the walls have some faith and remember to vote..

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
3. I remember a year ago calling for action on gun control reform on DU...
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:13 AM
Jan 2013

...and being told by the Gungeon crowd that the President was in their pocket and told by the BOG crowd that the President would never propose such a thing for political reasons.

Seems a lot of people never planned on having this conversation. I think the President most certainly did. The time for gun control reform is now.

BainsBane

(53,041 posts)
11. They still refuse to look at public opinion polls
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:33 AM
Jan 2013

Despite the fact I've provide them with links to the Daily Kos Seiu poll on gun control MANY times. They prefer the delusion that the majority of the country agrees with them.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
15. well I think the murder of 20 first graders might, just might
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:53 AM
Jan 2013

have something to do with this. I am quite sure Obama didn't plan on that.

Cha

(297,503 posts)
18. Exactly. I'm so
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:07 AM
Jan 2013

sorry they had to be the impetus. But, the time is now..just like it was for Johnson back in his day.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
19. I think so to
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:08 AM
Jan 2013

But my reading of him is that he wanted to do this after Tucson and Aurora but his advisers didn't want to. I hope Obama is listening more to his heart and less to Axelrod, Jarrett, and Plouffe.

Obama is best when he goes with his heart.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
28. He said himself he wasn't going to take away anyone's guns during the campaign.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:12 AM
Jan 2013

If this article is to be believed he is planning on banning some of them.
We will lose the midterms over this. I really believe that. With climate change
speeding up we just cannot afford to lose. The future of the the next generation
is on the line.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
31. Banning new sales is not "taking away."
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:22 AM
Jan 2013
We will lose the midterms over this. I really believe that.


Have you seen the latest polls? The only way we lose this is if we let those NRA bastards win.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
33. I will wait for the polls six months from now
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:26 AM
Jan 2013

and I do believe we will lose the midterms over this.. I watched it happen once
and I hope to Dog it does not happen again.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
4. My kind of a President. It's time for a national conversation on the $175 billion cost of carnage.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:17 AM
Jan 2013

That's the annual bill of gun violence. One hell of a lot of taxpayer/insurer money, while the NRA and their industry, rake in increasing profits. Time for adult responsibility...of the industry.

It's coming out of the 'Hood and into the white, affluent middle class experience. I hate that it took 20 little ones and 6 of their dedicated leaders all in one event, but we grieve, move on and tackle it.

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
6. I want more Secret Service NOW....
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:21 AM
Jan 2013

...seriously. MANY gun nuts are a bit unhinged already, this could shake their last screw loose....

ecstatic

(32,727 posts)
42. I know! I kind of wish he'd wait until after inauguration
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:48 AM
Jan 2013

to make this announcement. Will the secret service be checking out the crowds ahead of time?!

namaste2

(74 posts)
50. It really seems like a lot of very critical issues are colliding together right now...
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 11:25 AM
Jan 2013

Right after the 1st Africian American leader gets re-elected, there is the monetary issues, immigration reform being actively sought, energy issues, green future, climate change, LGBT rights, and now the sacred cow of gun regulation. This is before we even think about the issues outside of our borders.
This president knows how important all these issues are and he is the only one that can press forward and make progress on any of these things. He also knows what kind of danger he is already in, let alone the increasingly unhinged contingent that keeps ratcheting up the hysteria over his presidency.
I agree with your call for even more protection for one of our country's most valuable assets, President Obama. The Secret Service has done an amazing job protecting this man as there have never been more threats to any other president. I have the feeling it will only get worse before it gets better. However, I do believe the tide is finally turning and there is sunshine being brought to a lot of the crazy, dark places for all to see. The more that is seen in context, will hasten the change.

sheshe2

(83,846 posts)
9. My President!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 12:31 AM
Jan 2013

Aaaaaah there he goes again. Taking the backs of the babies that were slaughtered so recently. Standing up to do his best to serve and protect the citizens of this nation.

Our President is taking up the fight, as he did with DOMA. Many deem these things to be "political suicide." He doesn't care. He acts for us.

Thank you Sir, for taking on the tough issues, in the face of oppressing opposition.

I for one have his back, as he has ours!

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
41. Surprising things happened under George H.W. Bush.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:45 AM
Jan 2013

The Americans With Disabilities Act was passed and signed during the Bush I administration. Bush even said, "Let the shameful wall of exclusion finally come tumbling down."

You read about things like that, and wonder if government is even capable of getting things like that done anymore.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
56. "No, I'm not a fan of his" but yet, you felt compelled to bring his name into the conversation
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:35 PM
Jan 2013

How terribly... odd.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
57. What's your guess here?
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:36 PM
Jan 2013

Any chance that I was making a point that this is simply what Presidents do?

Or are we talking paid Republican disruptor?

Regards,

Manny

Number23

(24,544 posts)
58. "Any chance that I was making a point that this is simply what Presidents do?"
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 10:52 PM
Jan 2013

No way that's what you were doing. But I love how you appeared to casually overlook Bill Clinton's attempt to go against the NRA when he he came up with the assault weapons ban. Nope, launched yourself straight into the arms of GHWB.

Or are we talking paid Republican disruptor?

Only you know for sure. I think the majority of us are far too bored to care either way.

Cha

(297,503 posts)
17. Good Find, JaneyVee!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:04 AM
Jan 2013
“My starting point is not to worry about the politics,” Obama said. “My starting point is to focus on what makes sense, what works, what should we be doing to make sure that our children are safe and that we’re reducing the incidents of gun violence.


Thank you.. and thanks to Dartagnan at Kos!

samsingh

(17,600 posts)
23. one of the greatest of President's would support and champion gun control
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 01:34 AM
Jan 2013

and end up saving tens of thousands of lives.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
29. A majority support this. The NRA is NOT A MAJORITY. They Just Have Enough Money To Get Air Time
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:13 AM
Jan 2013

and sound like it.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
35. A father to young children
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 02:35 AM
Jan 2013

and has a strong sense of empathy for parents who have to send their children to school everyday. I think these shootings really motivated him to say enough! He's no stranger to gun violence. There's an incident mentioned in "Dreams From My Father" where he and a friend hit the ground when they hear gunshots. He has an understanding of it that we may not know until he writes his presidential memoir- that I am so looking forward to reading.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
40. Bill Clinton
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 03:40 AM
Jan 2013

When we say we want to restore the assault weapons ban, don't forget when it started.

Recently we seem to be spending a lot of effort restoring Clinton-era legislation: first tax rates, now the assault weapons ban. Not a bad record for someone a lot of Democrats apparently want to disown.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
46. blah, blah blah, honeypie. thanks for the stinking pile of NRA dogshit, pumpkin. now fuck off,
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:46 AM
Jan 2013

trollykin.

Bodega Bandit

(3 posts)
44. It's only those...
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 04:55 AM
Jan 2013

...who have refused to come into the modern world who think they need guns. OUR PRESIDENT is the man to set them straight, and put this country on the road to sanity. NO MORE GUNS!

 

stultusporcos

(327 posts)
45. PBO takes on the NRA but still lacks the courage to have an open and frank discussion about legal
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 05:44 AM
Jan 2013

weed.

I would really hate to think that all the pharmaceutical companies that dumped money into his campaign coffers is the reason why he has basically ignored and avoided any real discussion on legal weed.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
47. Polls show that an overwhelming percentage of Americans favor stricter gun controls.
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 06:41 AM
Jan 2013

This is hardly political suicide. Dems who don't support these new regulations will face the wrath of voters in 2014.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
48. These are exactly the changes.....
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 07:03 AM
Jan 2013

... I have been wanting and only a relative handful of super-gun-nuts will oppose them. Of course, time is of the essence since all available assault-style weapons have been sold and folks are paying double and triple prices to land one while they can.

Danmel

(4,919 posts)
49. I think President Obama feels this one acutlely as a father
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 07:49 AM
Jan 2013

And as an armchair psychoanalyst, I think he probably feels some guilt about Newtown & regret that because,of the upcoming election, he failed to act after all of the other mass shootings. This really hit home & hutt. It all should hurt.

flying-skeleton

(698 posts)
51. This President will go down in History as the Best EVER !!!
Wed Jan 16, 2013, 08:42 PM
Jan 2013

First ........ OBAMACARE
Now ........ GUN CONTROL
Next ........ Breakup of the Republican Party

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