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pampango

(24,692 posts)
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:20 PM Jan 2012

Non-EU Norway 'almost as integrated in union as UK'

In an analysis of Oslo's membership of the European Economic Area (EEA) the report says it is "an illusion" to consider Norway as outside the EU. Membership of the EEA gives Norway access to the EU's single market.

In a comprehensive analysis of Norway's 20 years in the European Economic Area, the report - "Outside and Inside" - finds deep implications for Norway's society, economy and democracy.

While it sees the economic benefits as largely positive, the report expresses concern at the political consequences as Norway is bound, in practice, to adopt EU policies "without voting rights".

Mr Sejersted calls this a "great democratic deficit... but this is a kind of national compromise since Norway decided it did not want to join the EU".

Norway signed up to a plethora of other EU agreements beyond the EEA, covering borders, immigration, foreign policy, agriculture, police co-operation and much else.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16594370

Interesting that a country like Norway that does not belong to the EU has decided to be as integrated with the rest of the continent as those countries that are in the EU. That's almost inevitable with open borders to trade, immigration and investment with other European countries.

Sounds like the "great democratic deficit" is that Norway abides by EU policies on "borders, immigration, foreign policy, agriculture, police co-operation and much else", but does not get a vote in the EU on these policies.

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Non-EU Norway 'almost as integrated in union as UK' (Original Post) pampango Jan 2012 OP
Switzerland is edging closer, too DFW Jan 2012 #1

DFW

(54,405 posts)
1. Switzerland is edging closer, too
Wed Jan 25, 2012, 04:55 PM
Jan 2012

But if I were Norwegian or Swiss, I wouldn't want full membership, either.

The Brussels bureaucracy is so stifling, I would want the option of my country having the option to say no to any
idiotic regulation put out by the unthinking majority. One time, the EU decided that any fruit smaller than a certain
size could not be called an "apple." Why? Just because. In Denmark there is a kind of apple that happens to be
smaller than the prevailing Eu regulations. They were told they could no longer call their apples "apples. They came
close to leaving the EU, saying that if this was a symptom of what EU members were to expect from the central
bureaucracy, then they needed to rethink their membership.

The last time I was down in Geneva, the place was transformed. Now that they have joined Schengen, they have
open borders with Italy, France, Germany and Austria. This means they have been flooded with Romanians and
other Eastern Europeans form countries with huge organized crime gangs. The people of Geneva are pissed that
their tranquil, safe city now has dozens of unemployed Romanians on every street corner, panhandling or trying
to get money in more aggressive manners. Break-ins in residences are up by multiples. The Swiss cops, not used
to dealing with this on such a massive scale, are overwhelmed. Many Swiss are furious with their government for
letting this happen, and they will be hard to persuade to join the EU for even more of the same. Their big corporations
are all for EU membership so they can build factories in cheap eastern EU countries and suffer no negative effects for
tossing locals, unused to unemployment, out of work. But the common folk are dead set against it. I don't blame them.
The EU expansion eastward was done at a greatly accelerated rate in order to please the big corporations who could
then close their factories, toss the locals out of work, and rebuild far cheaper eastward. Only the big corporations
benefited, along with the organized crime gangs who no longer had to get visas to visit the west. The people suffered,
as usual. So what else is new?

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