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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe LDS didn't accept black men into the priesthood (which all male Mormons aspire to) until Romney
was 31 years old. He says he's not a "cafeteria mormon." Does that mean he approved of the ban on black men until he was 31?
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)trust me on this, I have friends that are Mormons.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)but it sounded like the OP was saying all male Mormons wanted to be adult priests, and this is incorrect. Whenever you use a generalization like "all" it is almost invariably going to be wrong.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The first level of Mormon "priesthood", as noted, is for teenage boys. You may rest assured that Romney attained it as do the vast majority.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)in my post, but said "I don't know". My objection didn't have anything to do with Romney.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Well of course he did, since he then went on to do his missionary tour.
And if any of your friends are temple-recommended, they are too.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I was referring to this question posed in the OP: "Does that mean he approved of the ban on black men until he was 31?"
Apparently, there is some debate about this as other replies in the thread say Romney might have objected to the ban.
I'm sure Romney was a priest in the Mormon church as they define it.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)as boys.
http://www.pbs.org/mormons/faqs/structure.html
Mormon males typically enter the first order, the "Aaronic" priesthood, at age 12 as "deacons." As they learn more, they progress to the levels of "teacher" and then "priest," usually by age 18.
At age 18, the average Mormon man enters the second (higher) "Melchizedek" priesthood as an "elder." It is at this point that they become eligible to serve on a mission, take on such leadership positions as bishop (local pastor) and stake president, perhaps even advancing to higher ranks within the church, such as joining a Quorum of the Seventy or becoming an apostle.
MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)but there may be truth to the fact that his father was one of the voices in the Church advocating for equality.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)MattBaggins
(7,904 posts)and to think that if it were today our USSC would uphold letting them discriminate.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)He said the rule really tore him up. Perhaps that's true, but I don't like the double standard when it comes to Obama and Reverend Wright. Obama was held responsible by the right for everything that went on in his church. They say if Obama went to that church he must have believed it too. When it comes to Romney and LDS racism though, its a different story.
ecstatic
(32,710 posts)Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)of the "Reverend" Wright and whether or not Obama attended his church.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)thing to say, most black people DO NOT TRUST THE MORMON CHURCH because of that and cannot understand why people like Gladys Knight would ever join such a group voluntarily.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)in the 70s the church was taking heat on their policy re: blacks from 2 sources. As the church converted more people in Africa and South America it wanted to open temples on those continents but some of the countries balked because you can't get into the temple unless you hold the priesthood ie unless you are white and "delightsome".
The other area was the boy scouts. The church has a boy scout troop in each ward (local church) but you couldn't be a troup leader (adult leader or boy leader) unless you held the priesthood. Again, were white. The boy scouts of america was sued by the NAACP (if I remember correctly) to disassociate with the church because of the practice. It was set to go to court the very day after god told the church president he'd been wrong all along and blacks were okay. I was actually following the boy scout case very closely (young lawyer that I was at the time).
God also told the church president it was okay to drink Coca Cola (lift the ban on on some types of caffeine) when Coke signed a contract to buy all of its sugar from a church own sugar company.
And while I make fun of the mormon church, honestly, there is plenty of looney in all churches to go around (that waver actually turns into the flesh of a man who has been dead for 2,000 years?)
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)it makes him a racist, selfish asshole pig...being a mormon just amplifies it!!!
bhikkhu
(10,718 posts)at least according to an NPR story, which was talking about the recent book about Romney - the Romney family was actively against the ban, and was a part of it being eliminated.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)If he was actively against the ban, then he was picking and choosing which beliefs to adhere to, just as most members of religions do.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)i'm sure they have been fighting one another to sign up for that honor ever since they were recognized as fully human by the powers that be in salt lake city.