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(149,699 posts)The woman on the left (Mrs.Boehner?) is not saluting.
Shame on her.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)the man next to her Boehner is the wrong color. It's RED white and blue, not ORANGE white and blue. Jeese.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Debbie Boehner is a Communist !!
question everything
(47,534 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)to a crack Boehner made about Michelle's not letting the President have a cigarette.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)he was pawing at her arm. If you watch the video that is floating around on the net, you can see where he pawed at her arm while she was trying to eat. After that, she had to practically protect herself from him while she attempted to finish eating. He was being really obnoxious toward her.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)What an ass. And Michelle could probably snap him in half.
elleng
(131,107 posts)as I often do when talking to people.
It was about a JOKE he made.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I knew them very well and knew they wouldn't mind. It's not a good idea. I don't like it if people touch me when I haven't given my OK. May be because I am smaller than a lot of people. Makes me feel very uncomfortable. I think it is a sign of disrespect to Michelle Obama on John Boehner's part. It is especially inappropriate for a man to do that to a woman.
elleng
(131,107 posts)They were seated beside eachother, at a collegial social event, and jokes and light 'touchings' are perfectly appropriate, regardless of gender.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)there is a feeling of familiarity and trust between the two individuals involved.
There certainly is no feeling of familiarity and trust between John Boehner and Michelle Obama. And that is very clear from the video if you have seen the whole thing.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)fun. But, you can tell Michelle wants no part of it and has no respect for him. So his attempt fell flat.
But for most people who like each other this would be no big deal whatsoever.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)but he supposedly was asking for a cigarette, then when Obama said he didn't have one, The Boner said "because someone won't let you" and tapped Michelle.
Or something close to that.
I will always believe her eyes rolled involuntarily due to the large amount of alcohol fumes coming from behind her, causing her eyes to sting.
But that's just me.
glowing
(12,233 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Same thing with the guy behind Obama's right shoulder. Trained to keep their hands at waist level?
Cirque du So-What
(25,977 posts)with hands folded instead of over her heart like every patriotic American is supposed to do? Dude behind Michelle's mother is posed similarly.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,977 posts)but her husband is a leader in the party of Über-Patriotism, yunno. If it'd been anyone on the Democratic side, it'd be in heavy rotation throughout the RW blogosphere.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,977 posts)but if it's true, then it's hilarious.
RudynJack
(1,044 posts)for the anthem is to stand respectfully. There's no obligation to put your hand over your heart.
The pledge is different.
Cirque du So-What
(25,977 posts)For the Über-Patriotic goopers, it's not nearly enough to just stand there. BTW, I don't see a flag lapel pin on that coat! Alert the media!
RudynJack
(1,044 posts)to say how much I love your username.
Cirque du So-What
(25,977 posts)As the corporate media demonstrate on a daily basis, my username should never go out of style.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)When I was kid we only put our hands over our hearts for the Pledge of Allegiance. I think the whole 'hand-over-heart thing is silly and has damned little to do with patriotism.
BanzaiBonnie
(3,621 posts)until the last few years. I'd never seen anyone do it before that. I htink it's utter bullshit.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)do the hand over the heart for 'God bless America' at baseball games. I refuse to even stand for insipid piece of crap.
MH1
(17,600 posts)All of a sudden everyone was like, yeah hand over heart for National Anthem!!!1!
while some of us were more like, huh, never was that way before?
seriously, I believe it is a fascinating example of mass manipulation as a political ploy, from around about 2003 or 2004 if I am not mistaken.
GoCubsGo
(32,088 posts)That Dem was President Obama some time in 2008 or 2009, and the righties made a HUGE stink of it. Just like they throw a tantrum whenever he decides to spend Christmas in Hawaii, or take any sort of vacation with his family. Damn disgusting hypocrites.
a la izquierda
(11,797 posts)Until my RWNJ sister in Law berated for saying I'd never heard of such a thing. She then called me a commie.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)played the National Anthem. Players put their hats over the hearts, as did fans in the stands. If you didn't have a hat, you put your hand over your heart.
It's not really a big deal, however I don't think it's silly.
UncleYoder
(233 posts)it was a big fucking deal. We refused to stand for the anthem, refused to say the pledge and made damn sure everybody knew why. We had 50,000+ reasons not to.
xmas74
(29,676 posts)I'm just a few years younger than you and the same was said. (All athletic events at all levels, not just Brewers games.)
I just thought it was something everyone did unless you were in the military. If in the military you stood at attention, with your hands at your side.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)new thing made up by Republicans...
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/national-anthem-etiquette-what-to-do-at-a-sporting-event-or-political-rally/
snip-
The Independence Hall Association says the Flag Code, adopted first in 1923, requires those who are not members of the Armed Forces or veterans to face the flag and stand with a hand over their heart. Men in these crowds are told to remove hats or other headwear with their right hands and place them over their left shoulders. eHow.com a less formal guide also recommends dropping your nachos and putting out your cigarette.
-snip
(props to eHow, that's hilarious)
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)for the Pledge of Allegiance too--what is up with the indoctrination of children anyway?
Mariana
(14,860 posts)to stand to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. My father remembers doing this:
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Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)But prior to WW II there was great admiration for Mussolini, and then Hitler, in this country. I think this salute was resurrected by Mussolini, although we tend to think of Hitler whenever we see it. It goes back to the days of the Roman Empire....
lunatica
(53,410 posts)or so detached from her surroundings that she looked bored.
Maybe it's just that look of denial of reality that so many Republican wives have. She probably didn't even register the song, or even that someone was singing.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Seen with Boner.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)mzteris
(16,232 posts)SmileyRose
(4,854 posts)he's looking over his readers ..... too high for butt ogling.
But it would be UNAMERICAN for anyone in America who has the chance to not at least take a quick peek. Male or female.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)sad-cafe
(1,277 posts)and I don't remember the hand over the heart for the National Anthem either.
GoCubsGo
(32,088 posts)They had conniptions over it.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Mrs Boner? Oh she has her hands over what's dear to her.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I remember.
Iggo
(47,565 posts)rgbecker
(4,834 posts)Greybnk48
(10,176 posts)Dumb ass.
Aristus
(66,462 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)dairydog91
(951 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)How does he do that?
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)he looks old
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Guess I am unAmerican.
I get your point, though.
Denninmi
(6,581 posts)Who is the lady behind the President in the camel coat and coral scarf? Is that Michelle' mother?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Denninmi
(6,581 posts)I kinda thought so, but wasn't sure.
moondust
(20,006 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)dballance
(5,756 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)dballance
(5,756 posts)I'm sure the rise of Hitler and Nazism is what caused it to change. Not exactly sure when but I'd bet during WWII at the latest of course.
MADem
(135,425 posts)And even he didn't put any God in his original version!
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to* the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy
dballance
(5,756 posts)It was in response to those godless commies. Seriously, it was one of those stupid symbolic bunches of crap our congress seems to be able to pass rather than passing meaningful legislation. Not much has changed.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)but removed "equality" because he was told it would be too controversial.
And in 2013, over 100 years later, it sadly would be just as "controversial" to put equality in there.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I wonder if I'll live to see it. I hope so.
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)mrmpa
(4,033 posts)mia
(8,362 posts)Didn't know this until I just looked it up.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301
36 USC § 301 - National anthem
(a) Designation. The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing. During a rendition of the national anthem
(1)when the flag is displayed
(A)individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;
(B)members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and
(C)all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(2)when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)octothorpe
(962 posts)That's something I'd refuse out of principle. I don't have a problem with doing it (I usually don't myself, but I have in the past), but don't try to force me to. It's similar to burning the flag. I have no desire to burn the flag, but don't tell me I can't. Kinda goes against what the US is supposed to stand for.
MADem
(135,425 posts)have the force of law. If you're on active duty, though, I wouldn't advise ignoring it--that could be construed as conduct unbecoming.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Of course there are no penalties for not following the flag code:
http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#170
MADem
(135,425 posts)It used to be that we were not supposed to "salute" out of uni--but now, because people did it without thinking, they're letting us do it. It's something that is drilled into one at an early stage; it becomes second nature.
TeamPooka
(24,254 posts)picture or video I have seen.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)person from Ohio. So, being so mad that Obama won is probably not it. HMMM
Mariana
(14,860 posts)with a husband who's likely to get as sloppily and slurringly drunk as Boner gets. Imagine spending the day wondering if he's going to puke on your shoes in front of the cameras.
TeamPooka
(24,254 posts)mattclearing
(10,091 posts)is unAmerican. Even when they're horrible.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)octothorpe
(962 posts)I never put my hand over my heart during the national anthem. Although, I know they'd be all over a democrat if they did the same thing as she's doing.
Btw, is Schumer checking out her ass? teeehee
Trascoli
(194 posts)The President is looking at the American flag?
OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)When conservative bloggers used it to question the patriotism of then candidate Obama.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/nov/08/chain-email/photo-was-taken-during-anthem-not-pledge/