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Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:20 PM Jan 2013

Just when I thought I'd heard it all from Freepers

They go and discuss Barnes and Noble's announced store closures:

The real problem is one of socialism. Government-run, taxpayer-supported public libraries prevent private business from operating bookstores and newsstands at a profit. A subsidized industry has a built-in advantage over entrepreneurship every time.

Ben Franklin's original lending library was a private enterprise with volunteers exchanging reading matter. It wasn't a state-run outfit like the public libraries of today. Moreover, public libraries are hangouts for stinking third-world types and the homeless. It's not a realistic scenario but I'd really like to see the government get out of the book and periodical business, thus allowing free enterprise to flourish in that sector.


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Just when I thought I'd heard it all from Freepers (Original Post) Proud Public Servant Jan 2013 OP
We cannot have autodidactic masses. That doesnt work in the world that Freepers want to create. stevenleser Jan 2013 #1
Carnegie, one of the foremost Capitalists CanonRay Jan 2013 #2
No they are selfish mean spirited pricks each and every one of them Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #4
... which explains Faux News' very existence. lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #3
As a fresh smelling "3rd world type" who still uses the library on occasion I'm only mildly offended Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #5
Vile TXDemoGal Jan 2013 #6
I think I finally figured out where the term "low information voter" comes from! Initech Jan 2013 #7
I dont think 'books' when I think third-world. bunnies Jan 2013 #8
The REAL problem that the "author" is relying on political views, rather than reality Kber Jan 2013 #9
The public library system is putting private booksellers out of business? Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #10
Charles Schulz: decades ahead of his time mac56 Jan 2013 #11
Sally is Ann Coulter ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #20
As the Rude one might say Still Sensible Jan 2013 #12
But, wasn't the internet originally a government program?!?!?!? IggleDoer Jan 2013 #29
I wonder if this is something they heard from Rushbo LeftInTX Jan 2013 #13
So, to sum up... lame54 Jan 2013 #14
Not with their outrageously high prices Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2013 #17
How did Barnes and Noble compete with libraries for their first 100 years? denverbill Jan 2013 #15
Didn't B&N and Borders originally compete with the small book stores ... IggleDoer Jan 2013 #31
That's right, only people with money are allowed to read! justiceischeap Jan 2013 #16
I agree with you, Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2013 #18
Someone told me they hadn't heard of Amazon hootinholler Jan 2013 #19
Yeah! And another thing: Mister Ed Jan 2013 #21
I loved taking my kids to the library when they were young Oilwellian Jan 2013 #22
That's some serious trolling. Brickbat Jan 2013 #23
I'm a card carrying library member, and proud of it! Scuba Jan 2013 #24
Heres a fun info graphic that will bust some freeper heads: Erose999 Jan 2013 #25
Back in 2009 after being laid off hogwyld Jan 2013 #32
Free education is not a right, affordable health-care is not a right, but a gun is? DetlefK Jan 2013 #26
Honestly, I am surprised they allowed Libraries to remain public for this long liberal N proud Jan 2013 #27
not laughing: Libraries are a target of ALEC rurallib Jan 2013 #28
This whole "civilization thing" just isn't for them. bluedigger Jan 2013 #30
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
1. We cannot have autodidactic masses. That doesnt work in the world that Freepers want to create.
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:22 PM
Jan 2013

This does not surprise me at all. It is an ideology run amok.

CanonRay

(14,113 posts)
2. Carnegie, one of the foremost Capitalists
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jan 2013

spent millions setting up libraries all over the country. Our new brand of Freeper Capitalists are just cheap bastards.

 

Lesmoderesstupides

(156 posts)
4. No they are selfish mean spirited pricks each and every one of them
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:27 PM
Jan 2013

And that is the nicest thing I can say about em too.

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
3. ... which explains Faux News' very existence.
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jan 2013


"A subsidized industry has a built-in advantage over entrepreneurship every time. "


Faux has been subsidized by the RNC right from the start
and by BushCo during their eight year reign of terror.


Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,505 posts)
5. As a fresh smelling "3rd world type" who still uses the library on occasion I'm only mildly offended
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:28 PM
Jan 2013

by that ignorant mouth breather's statement.

TXDemoGal

(59 posts)
6. Vile
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:30 PM
Jan 2013

Like you said, just when you thought you've heard it all.

"...stinking third world types..." Would that be the crime of Reading While Brown?

Oh, and the Freeper should tell it to Andrew Carnegie (who, of course, is long dead, but I'm sure you get my point).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_library
(see in particular the section "The Carnegie Formula&quot

Initech

(100,102 posts)
7. I think I finally figured out where the term "low information voter" comes from!
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:33 PM
Jan 2013

It has nothing to do with the meteoric rise of tablets and e readers that have led to decreases in sales of printed copies. Nope it's them dang socalist librararies!!!

Kber

(5,043 posts)
9. The REAL problem that the "author" is relying on political views, rather than reality
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:35 PM
Jan 2013

to diagnose the problem. Personally, I'll bet the reason Barnes and Nobel is closing retail outlets is that Amazon has redefined how books are sold and distributed and large, generic retailers like Barnes and Nobel just aren't competitive in today's market.

This is an example of the free market, not government, influencing how goods are bought, sold and distributed.

Now, whether that is or isn't a problem isn't my point. My point is that if you do see it as a problem, the root is not with any "socialistic" distribution of books or knowledge. If you refuse to properly diagnose the problem, you aren't going to have much luck with a solution. This is true whether you are talking about how to protect children from gun violence or grow the economy or a whole host of other challenges facing us right now. If ideology blinds you to the root cause, and thus to actual, workable solutions, you can't really be part of the conversation (unless throwing poo counts, I guess).

And besides, libraries predate the rise and fall of Barnes and Nobel by a couple of centuries or so.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
10. The public library system is putting private booksellers out of business?
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:37 PM
Jan 2013

Really?

BTW I heard some Indiana state lawmakers once (seriously) suggest that the public library system was putting video store chains (i.e. Blockbuster) at a disadvantage. As if............... I mean, having a few select movies/tv shows on their shelves available to check out is no match for Blockbuster's catalog.

Still Sensible

(2,870 posts)
12. As the Rude one might say
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:44 PM
Jan 2013

these motherfuckers are crazy.

And they're wrong. Anybody with half a brain, and I realize that eliminates he vast majority of the assholes in FreeperLand, understands that pubic libraries have nothing to do with this. Barnes & Noble, Borders and their competitors thrived for years despite public libraries. This happened because of the continuing growth of two things--the Internet in general and E-Books, Kindle, etc. in particular.

These neanderthals are a special level of stupid!

LeftInTX

(25,555 posts)
13. I wonder if this is something they heard from Rushbo
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:44 PM
Jan 2013

Rush actually blamed anti-smoking for our huge budget deficit.

lame54

(35,321 posts)
14. So, to sum up...
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:01 PM
Jan 2013

B&N is going under because they couldn't crack the stinking third-world types and the homeless demographics

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,437 posts)
17. Not with their outrageously high prices
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:11 PM
Jan 2013

Last edited Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:45 PM - Edit history (1)

I usually go there to window shop and then, if I really like something, I'll buy it from Amazon.com or any other place that sells for cheaper. If I just want to read it, I might get it from the library but the library doesn't necessarily have everything either. If I have a gift card, I might buy something from them (though I know it won't go very far at all). Otherwise, their prices are just so exorbitant.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
15. How did Barnes and Noble compete with libraries for their first 100 years?
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:04 PM
Jan 2013

Haven't these morons ever heard of Amazon and e-books? Gee, I wonder which had a bigger impact on B&N's decline over the last 10-15 years? The massive build out and popularity of public libraries, or the internet?

IggleDoer

(1,186 posts)
31. Didn't B&N and Borders originally compete with the small book stores ...
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:49 AM
Jan 2013

... and put them out of business.

Now the e-book readers and the intertubes have done the same to the big box book stores.

Turn about is fair play.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
16. That's right, only people with money are allowed to read!
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:06 PM
Jan 2013

People working low-wage jobs, that can't afford to buy books, no reading for you!

Asshole!

Mister Ed

(5,943 posts)
21. Yeah! And another thing:
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:11 PM
Jan 2013

Why are we continuing to maintain this socialistic, publicly-subsidized military?!! It's competing unfairly with hard-working, enterprising mercenaries!!



Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
22. I loved taking my kids to the library when they were young
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 07:35 PM
Jan 2013

I wanted to instill in them a joy for reading, a sense of responsibility for taking care of something that didn't belong to them, and a sense of community when they participated in the library's storybook hour. These gathering places for culture and knowledge existed long before Barnes & Noble, and have nothing to do with their financial woes today. The freeper you quoted has probably never been to a library and it's no surprise he/she finds free knowledge revolting. They HATE intelligent people.

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
25. Heres a fun info graphic that will bust some freeper heads:
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 09:58 AM
Jan 2013

<p><strong>Please include attribution to Open-Site.org with this graphic.</strong><br /><br />
<a href="http://open-site.org/blog/the-future-of-libraries/"><img src="" alt="The Future of Libraries" width="500" border="0" /></a></p>

Somebody ask the freep nuts about the advantage of subsidized industries like fossil fuels over green energy.

As far as libraries being a hangout for "undesirables", one of the leaders of our local Teabag party was caught downloading pron at the public library.

Freepers really are the worst kind of people.

hogwyld

(3,436 posts)
32. Back in 2009 after being laid off
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jan 2013

My local library was the main resource I had to the outside world. It's where I went for job searches, and interacting with people. Talking to other people in the same boat as I was kind of therapeutic in a demented sort of way.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
26. Free education is not a right, affordable health-care is not a right, but a gun is?
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:08 AM
Jan 2013

What's next?
"If only it wouldn't rain, then the private sector could sell water. Rivers and lakes are socialized water-supply."

liberal N proud

(60,344 posts)
27. Honestly, I am surprised they allowed Libraries to remain public for this long
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:08 AM
Jan 2013

They are about privatizing everything and making a profit from it. It burns them when they see something that they can't make money from.

rurallib

(62,448 posts)
28. not laughing: Libraries are a target of ALEC
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:32 AM
Jan 2013

Wish I was kidding. They aren't a first order target, but a target nonetheless.
The plan here in Iowa is to cut property taxes to the point where all a city can provide is inadequate police protection.
No libraries, no pools, no graveyards, barely cleaning the streets.

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