sometimes I just can't help it

I have no problems laughing at other people's misfortunes. I don't even mind laughing at myself when I do something stupid and pay for it.

If his leg had had a gun it could have fought back.

now this guy shoots it down his leg. What a really bad place to be carrying a gun. might as well just push that video my brother sent about how unichs (sp) personally make sure they are neutered. ouch? well thats not quite so bloody though. and he thought that would gross me out. Clearly he hasn't seen many videos on youtube. I like the one where it was once impossible to fix a woman who's had her tubes either cut or burned. They fix that now. course this is done inside the body.

Course I'd prefer long guns although you can still have your dog shoot you in the ass.

Hope it hurts. A lot.

I agree. I have no sympathy for idiots and losers that can't control their firearm or themselves.

Gets a chuckle out of me every time I see someone spin out and smash up on the news, especially when it is snowing outside.

Dumb asses. Stay at home.

because it's such a stupid ass analogy!

and get their cars taken away. Just like what should happen to this asshole.

Courts let people off very easy unless there was alcohol involved. Ask any long term motorcyclist.

I install dual 110db horns on all of my motorcycles. It leads to dropped cellphones and coffee cups, but aids in my survival.

some idiot on a motorcycle with a big horn blew it in front of my campus right in front of me...a car driven by a nice senior citizen thought some truck was coming or something and slammed on brakes. The biker ended up over the sidewalk and barely missed getting killed. Then he got a ticket for violating the local sound ordinance! Anyone with an attitude shouldn't be on a bike, motorcycle, or have a gun. To me, you're describing a poor disposition.

Just saying...

Stock motorcycle horns are functionally useless. They are buried in the fairing and cannot be heard by the average distracted cager in a minivan or SUV. Louder horns do their job, get heard, and raise attention. M/C have this invisibility problem...people get startled when we appear out of nowhere.

There are those who put air horns on M/Cs. Now that is scary.

Those damned things scare anything with ears out of their pants.

If you ride, you understand the invisibility problem. M/Cs just appear out of nowhere and cut cagers off.

I have enough reflectors and other things on my bikes to light up a semi. I also have the flashing headlight mods. On some bikes there are aux lights. Yet the cagers cannot see me (or any of us). Horns are last minute defensive devices. Buried in the fairing, they are not as loud as they would be in the open air. However they get the driver with their [kids|coffee|cellphone|...] attention. One time in traffic I had the same mini van drift into my lane several times. Lacking a safe escape route and it being MD where lane splitting is not allowed, I knocked on her window at the next light...

The bikes with air horns scare people. They start looking for trucks and don't see them.

Don't care how much bling you have on your bike, when it's time it's time.

However, when it gets close, I use non-stock horns

themself, they are a danger to themselves and others. The dude should not have gun, end of story.

He is a fucking asshole, maybe this will teach him a lesson, but I doubt it.

a fine bead of sweat on his face in the forty degree weather.

My Eyes,revealed!

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I am amazed at the BS I have served on...

My post was alerted for a video of a one tenth of a second nipple flash by Judd flashing her breast.

Somehow it equated to PORN and her being topless, all of which it was not. The jury comments or lack thereof IMO make these people unqualified to serve...

About as bad as John Ashcroft covering Lady Liberty and the feigned outrage over Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction...

Pathetic. Most couldn't even give reason to HIDE my post. Lame asses.

Read it and think of the children.

Think of the shenanigans she will cause...
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You would have come thru with flying colors!

for Senate...

I will leave that for you to figure out.

but that juror is awesome.

I actually learned about DU from lurking at the Free Republic way back in the stolen election days.
There are lurkers in these forums who are regulars in the freeper forums and that is who alerted my snark to a jury.
There are also some conspiracy theorists here at DU that believe the flying freeper monkeys are here to destroy DU by creating friction,
Thankfully there is a jury system and it works pretty well.

My reply to the funny video was a swipe at Rim Job and his chorus of camp followers and certainly not a swipe at disabled people.
I can just see him standing in front of a mirror twirling a six shooter and shooting himself then posting on the Daily Freep about how he was shot by a scary person of color and then had to put the muscle on another scary person of color for a medicaid wheelchair.
All Hail the conquering hero:The Mighty Jim Robinson,that Fleur O' Chivalry!
Unlike RimJob however,since he did serve in the military,then what he receives in the form of socialist healthcare was dearly bought and paid for by his years of service to you and me and this nation and is not an entitlement,that being said.
I cannot help that he suffers from Republican-Rectal-Retro-Cranial-Insertion-Syndrome AKA:Head up his arse and to sum up unlike rimjobisin i do not consider people to be of lesser value for needing some help,life happens.

I was surprised at being outed initially but the explanation by Juror#6,warmed my cockles and simultaneously rustled my jimmies for correctly reading my intentions and so another freeper troll is now on the known list.
Kudos!

Actually, it's because he is stupid.

/sarc off

+1

he could have protected himself from himself

it was a bad leg. And maybe the roof was bad too.

...if open carry hadn't made him safer.

It's a hot bed of gang warfare and general violence.

So I would say you are correct; they are less desensitized by this thing here in Eugene, Oregon.

All the cops downtown near W8th Street got involved.

Reminds me of Tatooine...

... I would be obligated to assume meth and stolen guns were involved were I to read about this happening there.

As the old joke goes; "Why do they have garg=age sales in Springfield?

Answer: So people in Eugene can buy their stuff back."

But I still think it's too draconian a policy.

From a tech perspective this makes no sense unless he did something very stupid with the pistol.

He was thrown out of the U.S. Army a year ago as 'unable to adapt.'

or is it legal to shoot a gun in a public cafe as it is to carry one there?

For those who do not know, revolvers patterned on 19th c. models have to be carried with only 5 of the 6 shots loaded. Otherwise, the firing pin rests on a live primer. Any serious bump can then set it off.

If so, there would be a lot more cops out on disability

I personally believe that out of uniform, concealed carry is the way to go in public since open carry upsets so many people.

Most yahoos who want to open carry do not have sufficient training for that sort of thing, but even if they did, it only makes them a mark for criminals who want to take their gun. And yes, it upsets many thinking people, for very good reasons. Any civilian obnoxious and crazy enough to want to open carry in an urban setting around people lacks good judgment and really shouldn't have a gun at all. They pose a danger to themselves and the public, as this story demonstrates.

some kind of Federal Permiting/Regulation Matrix for firearms based on population density by say, County. Live where there are more bears than neighbors? YOU can have an AR-15. Live in a place where x% of the people in your BUILDING are statistically on anti-psychotics? YOU can have a Kitchen Knife...MAYBE.

Scale that fucker so that increases in population density (over time and based on census data) mean AUTOMATIC increases in firearm regulations, and I think that might go a long way toward keeping both sides of the debate happy.

dickweeds like the hero in our story open carry to get attention. guess what? he got the attention he so richly craves.

From a pure gun safety perspective, open carry is less dangerous.

I'll try a common sense approach...though I may be able to find training documents or book excerpts on a gun website.

An externally carried sidearm is in holster with some sort of safety device (strap etc). The trigger is protected, it is secure against falling out. Normally the holster is designated for the sidearm in question. If the firearm were to somehow discharge the majority of the time it would be parallel to the leg of the wearer, and do minimal damage.

Concealed holsters often rely on friction to maintain control of the weapon and may not retain the sidearm during rapid movement, or other physical activity. Depending on style of holsters, triggers are not protected nearly as well and the sidearms themselves are rarely secured. Additionally some people choose to concealed carry without a holster which has a much higher accident rate. An accidental discharge while concealed carrying is almost always injurious to the wearer. We have all heard stories of the gang banger hurting himself when he shoved his pistol in his pants...

The above is based solely on weapon safety. It does not take into account the impact on members of the public when they see someone open carrying in civilian attire in public areas. It does not account for level of training either. The Sherpa style holster is an example of an external holster that while functioning very well, has had accidental discharge issues due to lesser trained users.

Personally when I carry in public, I do it concealed with a shoulder holster with a thumb break strap. Its old school but it gives me all the protection of the external holster. It can be "read" more easily than a pancake style holster, but its a risk I accept. It is also much less likely to get lost or discharge in an accident. YMMV

I have lost patience with gun nuttery, and suggesting that open carry is safe is pure gun nuttery. No "progressive" would belittle the valid concern that would reasonably overtake EVERY rational person when confronted with an open carry yahoo as the mere "upset" of "some." Seriously, if the ONLY reason you don't open carry is because it "upsets some people," you are horrifically ill-informed and/or delusional.

Strapping a Glock under your jacket is not going to make you a man or protect you or anyone else. It just makes you a danger to the public. Prime example: the guy at the Gabby Giffords shooting who almost shot an innocent bystander, because, in his own words, he mistook who the bad guy was.

My position is clearly that in terms of pure gun safety (lack of accidents, results of accidental discharges, etc) open carry is safer. I always pointed out that due to negative public reaction, concealed carry was preferable.

I carry for a very specific reason I have discussed and posted many times. When that reason is not present I don't. It is an exceptional case.

safer because everyone stays clear of you? Many / most who choose to carry openly are probably very good people, but you wouldn't catch me in the same space with them.

Less accidents and less injury from accidents as I discussed above.

Carrying a firearm openly except at a range, hunting, etc is a good way to scare the shit out of people, particularly in an urban setting. While it is legal in a surprising number of places, its not smart. I have never advocated it.

Another example of intimidation is tactical holsters (sidearm on the thigh, not waist). Vastly superior for any number of reasons including safety. Most cop shops will not allow that except for SWAT since it is so intimidating to the public.

It makes sense that your weapon would be better secured .... I still disagree completely with anyone carrying a gun in public either openly or concealed, but good on you for making sure it's as safe as possible, anyway.

seems ... well, not an airtight argument.

Less than the average hobbyist gets in a week.

Assertion. Not fact.

How much "training" do you suppose the moran in this news report puts in every week? Apparently not enough to keep this "advocate of open carry" from shooting hisownself in the bathroom whilst playing with his Man Card.


This is not the world most of us want to live in.

I hope you're ok!

As for the idiot who shot himself...

The ambulance took long enough that had he hit an artery he would of bled out and died.

After I saw he was alive and probably going to live I went for a walk to calm down. I will gladly help in the effort to not let this idiot live this down if I see him again.

The cyber cafe has a new policy, "No open carry or concealed weapons on premises."

I know I would and I'm not a drinker!

I'm glad you're ok!

which means if the NO GUNS policy draws every swaggering gunslinger in town, tourniquets are out. What you need to do is grab a towel and a plastic bag, protect your hand with the bag, and put the towel against the wound and lean on it, especially if the wound is a pumper (arterial).

Shit heads are going to be shit heads no matter what else is going on around them. I would hope that the country manages to disarm most of them in the coming years, with luck through a combined policy of escalating liability insurance per type of gun and carry and heavy taxes on ammo.

Those are good ideas, about increased gun insurance and ammo taxation, very good ideas. I think moving rapidly on both of those should be a priority.

It's what I learned in Boy Scouts. I haven't taken a first aid class in twenty years, though.

Plenty of blood too.

causing tissue damage. It can lead to tissue necrosis and amputation, especially in diabetics. It was abandoned decades ago in favor of pressure directly on the artery.

My idiot neighbor was shooting his 22 at a raccoon on the other neighbor's yard. My wife objected to it because of a ricochet and/or injury. The dumbshit hasn't spoken to us in five months.

There's nothing like a visit from a couple of very angry cops to get a gunslinger to retreat to a shooting range.

Just calmly point out how he could have killed himself, or injured or killed someone else, and then the conversation with LE would be a whole lot different.

especially when they're out shooting near other people's homes.

They'd have their mean cop faces on, trust me.

Or so he said when going "all stupid" on my wife. He is a father of three and acts like a teenager. I see a lot of that behavior by gun owners: vandalism, poaching, unsupervised use by youth, and the enabling of schoolyard shootings. I have seen all of that myself and the schoolyard shooting was the big story in this town last year.

...as the military has been using them for Iraq and Afghanistan. There have been cases where a "T" had been left on for six hours and the limb was not lost.

then a tourniquet is nice to know how to use, but they're not the preferred method of stabilizing blood loss.

Rotating tourniquets on shocky people are something else, entirely.

Throw in clotting sponges and bandages and team member trauma treatment has come a long way. Its one of the mandatory items in a traveling first aid kit for me.

Lots of places to get them, this has a good picture
http://www.amazon.com/CAT-C-A-T-Combat-Application-Tourniquet/dp/B003IPZRYI

Army doc told me our soldiers are wearing them round their shoulders and thlghs when in the field so as to be instantly ready if wounded on the limbs.

the treatment is different.

In civilian life, there's very few situations where a tourniquet is a good idea. Pressure will do fine keeping the guy from bleeding to death in the few minutes until the EMTs arrive and do the scoop-and-run to the hospital.

Our troops aren't in that environment, so the treatment is different.