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jollyreaper2112

(1,941 posts)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:11 PM Jan 2013

Something to keep in mind about gun deaths

We are almost down half from our national peak. Thing is, we never heard about the people, just the numbers. Just like highway deaths. We know intellectually we have a 9-11 once a month, 3k dead in stupid road deaths. But unless the accident is big and sexy, it's always local news.

We are hearing more about each gun death now which is taking this away from being a statistic. The status who depends on us accepting these deaths as the cost of doing business. I've heard assholes use that very phrase to excuse preventable deaths. It's the same logic that says children lose fingers and limbs in factories, the cost of progress.

I think we are hearing more and getting Olympic athlete biographical coverage of the deaths because its sexy and sells. Our talking heads love a good tragedy, weeping parents, shrines of flowers and teddy bears. They're emotional vampires. And yet in their own craven self-service we might yet see public sentiment turn against the gun madness and make real reforms.

I suppose that the same thing could be said of past tragedies. The publishers were just looking to sell papers and might let a journalist rake some muck out of self-service, if he accomplished anything of social value that's beside the point.

The other thing that's happening through all this is the gun nutter position is being put in a really awful light, same as with the pro-rape republicans trying to justify the war on women. Their base won't let them back down and they look crazy to everyone else.

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Something to keep in mind about gun deaths (Original Post) jollyreaper2112 Jan 2013 OP
Many deaths from shooting are averted by better trained doctors and EMT's MightyMopar Jan 2013 #1
It is the same logic that people use when we invade other countries. Arctic Dave Jan 2013 #5
Good point jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #6
Oh dear. geckosfeet Jan 2013 #2
Plus people who are pro gun control have embraced the "yep, another one" NightWatcher Jan 2013 #3
Some of us believe that even a single person being shot to death on any given day Chorophyll Feb 2013 #7
What they're counting on is short attention span jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #8
Fuck Wayne LaPierre and his evil brood. n/t ellisonz Jan 2013 #4
 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
5. It is the same logic that people use when we invade other countries.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:18 PM
Jan 2013

They must love us bombing their country because we have less deaths then Vietnam.

They don't factor in the new technology of killing, armor and medicine.

jollyreaper2112

(1,941 posts)
6. Good point
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:15 AM
Feb 2013

I've seen speculation that our current war dead would have a lot more company if treated to WWII standards. Helicopters and medics and getting into surgery within an hour of injury. Hard to day how much bigger the toll would be, 2x? 4x? But it pisses me off when republicans point to that and say the war isn't that bad. Tell that to the people living with injuries that would have killed them. Many still do top themselves because they can't deal.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. Plus people who are pro gun control have embraced the "yep, another one"
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:47 PM
Jan 2013

meme and are using it daily to make their point. "And in the news tonight, yep, 4 more shot..." just like we said last night.

I think it's a good way to control the message that shootings are out of control.

(Wonders if anyone was shot while typing this)

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
7. Some of us believe that even a single person being shot to death on any given day
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:18 AM
Feb 2013

is one too many.

Sorry if this upsets you.

jollyreaper2112

(1,941 posts)
8. What they're counting on is short attention span
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 09:22 AM
Feb 2013

There's a window if opportunity for harnessing public outrage. Can't fix a known problem before a mass death incident but maybe after. We know our air traffic control system is fucked but we will not fix it until we get a thousand plus dead in a mid-air collision caught on video because it happened over a little league game.

But there's a critical mass when the forces of the status quo can no longer withstand historic forces. Civil rights is one of them. They're regaining lost ground on women's rights and I think it will take pretty white girls dying from back alley abortions before the outrage is sufficient to push the republicans back into their holes.

Sadly, sometimes improvement comes without any help from the good guys. We cleaned up a lot of aid pollution in factory towns not by making the factories cleaner but by shipping the work overseas. Yay, we can breathe! But now we can't eat. Environmentalists can't take any credit but will sure get the blame. Company didn't outsource to save gigabucks, dirty fucking hippies took your jobs.

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