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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Like if you put a speed limit on highway-pretty soon they're going to take your car away from you"
Like if you put a speed limit on a highway, pretty soon they're going to take your car away from you. -- David Corn of Mother Jones on the NRA's "slippery slope" argumenthttp://video.msnbc.msn.com/hardball/50644671/#50644671
liberal N proud
(60,338 posts)On RT 78 next to my house they raised the limit from 55 to 65 and the number of accidents didn't change even though the church moms were all predicting blood and piss and ass flying about everywhere.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)But I prefer data to anecdotes....
Deaths and injuries on America's interstates have increased since the repeal of the federal 55-mile-per-hour speed limit in 1995, a new study finds, and some believe it's time to slow down again.
Researchers tracking fatalities attributed 12,545 deaths and 36,582 injuries in fatal crashes to higher speed limits implemented during the 1995-2005 study period.
"Our study clearly shows that policy can directly result in more deaths as well as reducing deaths on our country's roads," said lead researcher Lee S. Friedman of the division of environmental and occupational health sciences in the School of Public Health at the University of Illinois, Chicago.
Their results show that seemingly harmless policy decisions can have long-term repercussions, the researchers said. They called for implementation of a national speed management policy that would include a maximum speed of 55 mph and development of camera networks to curb speeding.
http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/articles/2009/07/16/deaths-injuries-increase-with-higher-speed-limits
A HERETIC I AM
(24,371 posts)During the same time period, decent driver education programs have all but disappeared.
What we need in the US is a driver education system similar to those of Germany and England, where getting a drivers license is tantamount to getting a private pilots license in this country.
The real reason accidents increase is because Americans, by and large are utterly clueless as to how to properly use a high speed, limited access highway.
It's called "Lane Discipline" and Americans sorely lack it.
It isn't the speed itself that causes accidents.
It's the Disparity in speeds between vehicles.
This is 36+ years of operating motor vehicles talking, 23 of those in heavy, commercial tractor trailers.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I would really like to hear from LaPierre where the 2nd Amendment/total gun ban slippery slope starts?
I had stated a thread with this same wondering. Can OC be safely done at a bank?, how about brandishing the weapon in a preschool or day care?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Too bad the Founders put that terrible word in the Constitution so many times. What were they thinking?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/22/931076/-Jefferson-Madison-Hamilton-160-Left-wing-Radicals
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)Almost that exact same pic with "Founding Right Wing Extremists" above it.
I almost ran off the road. They really are very, very delusional...and uneducated. Same truck had "American Infidel" sticker, NRA sticker, and a bunch of others I can't remember.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I try to stay a few car lengths behind such folks to avoid several things. Like getting the evil eye, watching where they turn off and the traffic accident they'll cause. Just like hanging back when a suspected drunk is ahead of you on the road. Since patience and caution are advisable with both groups. Same mentality, probably.
P. S. Was there a gun rack in the back window if it was a truck? I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it used to be pretty a standard in some areas with NRA and America Love It Or Leave It stickers.
Although these hyper partisan wingnuts are not as laid back as those guys were, they didn't feel the need to show every thought that blipped through their skull from talk radio on their vehicles. Just leave them alone and they'd do the same. In my experience, anyway.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)I had just never seen that particular sticker before. It blew my friggin' mind. I haven't met a Republican, yet, that thought the Founders were RW extremists. That guy has got to be waaaaaaayyyyy out there.
I didn't notice a gun rack because I was too intrigued by the HAM radio antenna.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)It appears you have crossed paths with a rare specimen of RW wackjobbery. Get your vomit bag ready for a sanitized tour of this cult's belief system :
They say the Founding Fathers practiced Satanism and the founding of the USA was a royalist plot. We were never free from England, or if so, they say the USA ceased to exist after the Civil War. It's now incorporated, not a country! Check that fringe on the flag. We are undone!
They'll tell you about a secret meeting on Jekyll Island by the nefarious millionaires, or banksters who created the IRS and Federal Reserve. They were in league with a gang who sank the Titanic to kill an American milllionaire who sought to foil their plot.
All of the banksters come from an ancient line in Europe that got rich from having insider information to make a killing on the London stock exchange with a false report on the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo. And now all of your hard earned income tax money goes to the Queen of England!
That's a small sample of that world view they believe in. Toss in a few historical references and they are soooo smart and everyone else is soooo dumb!
The HAM antenna is because they must have alternative means of communication with other patriots, when they are on the run from the evil Obama. They've got a whole 'nother world they live in.
Makes me feel like I'm at a party gone terribly, horribly wrong.
patrice
(47,992 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)Taitertots
(7,745 posts)There are groups that want to draconian gun control. People who own firearms would be stupid to think they could pacify people who want a total ban by giving them a partial ban.
The argument simply doesn't make sense because the vast majority of the people who advocate speed limits don't advocate car bans.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)removing all the stop signs and traffic lights
krispos42
(49,445 posts)...having decided that any deaths from an automobile are unacceptable, vehicle-control forces decided to mechanically limit all cars to 20mph, 20 horsepower and 2 gallons of gasoline, allow ownership of cars on a need-tested basis, and do a background check on all people trying to buy a car.
But they let some popular cars continue to be sold, as long as they don't have "fast-looking" cosmetic attachments.
dkf
(37,305 posts)smccarter
(145 posts)The 2nd amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear arms. There is nothing in the constitution that guarantees our right to drive a motor vehicle on public (or private) roads.
Having said that... and while I support the 2nd amendment - as it is written. Americans do have the right to own firearms, but the "well regulated" statement should come to bear at some point. You have the right to own a firearm, but the government (us) has the right to regulate that ownership. Whether it be the type(s) of weapon, the number of weapons, the type of ammunition, whatever... or the determination as to whether you are responsible enough to own a weapon. And that is a huge responsibility. We need to get some sense about this issue. It IS a constitutional right.. no doubt about it. But... and it's a very big but... it NEEDS to be regulated.
The neighbor to my right is a weapons expert in the Navy. He is well trained and at one point was a trainer. Anyone with that background should be allowed to own an AR-15, or any other weapon he's been checked out on. The neighbor to my left is a radical, angry, ill-tempered redneck with very little sense about him. I'm not sure if I'd agree that he needs to be allowed to own an AR-15. Of course... the neighbor to my right does own a weapon and would definitely know how to use it if my neighbor to the left decided to get blitzed and start shoot'n an'a gett'n rowdy an stuff. (I live in Milton, FL - the arm pit of Alabama).
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)concern about taking them away wouldn't be to far down the slope even if the traction is pretty good.
guardian
(2,282 posts)that people talking about speed limits never talked about banning cars or confiscating cars. Many of those advocating gun controls DO talk about banning guns and gun confiscation.
Also, I don't remember people talking about speed limits endlessly insulting and demeaning car owners.
I hope all the antigunners enjoy the fact that their actions put 10 million more guns on the streets in the last two months.