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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsStrange interview with Michelle Rhee in the NYT. Odd questions.
This is part of an interview the New York Times did with Michelle Rhee as part of her massive PR for the release of her new book.
She's also on ABC's This Week on Sunday.
This has been edited from the original, so of course that makes me wonder what was in the original. It is such a strange interview with such odd questions.
From the New York Times:
Michelle Rhee Gets an Education
Questions in bold:
In your new book, Radical, you recount that while growing up in a Korean-American household in Toledo, if your brother brought home a bad grade, your mother would ground you, not him. Can you explain her thinking?
My mother is a very traditional Korean mom. I grew up with clear roles as the girl of the family, and one of them was being responsible for my brothers and specifically to make sure my younger brother was doing well in school. Korean culture is very lenient on boys.
You write that you were offended by a sign in a Washington public school that read, Teachers cannot make up for what parents and students will not do. That didnt make sense to you?
As educators, we have to approach our job believing that anything is possible. It is incredibly important that we constantly communicate to kids that they can accomplish anything when they put their minds to it.
She failed to address that 2nd question. It's a very serious issue.
Teachers cannot make up for what parents and students will not do.
That is completely unequivocally true. I used that statement in parent conferences often. I never had a parent take issue with it or disagree. It is the simple truth.
The new education reforms only demand from the teachers. If standardized test scores are not good, the blame is only on the teacher. They will close schools and fire teachers based on those scores. But there are no consequences for parent or student.
They are free to go to other schools feeling they have not failed, only the teachers and the school.
It would be so simple to counteract the damage Rhee has done to teachers and public schools. Arne Duncan's voice would help defray some of the harm done, but there is not a word from him.
The biggest puffy question she was asked was if she had ever been fired. Her answer was because she made neat sundaes when the management wanted sloppy ones.
Once. I worked at an ice-cream parlor in college, and they were famous for making sundaes sloppily and having the hot fudge rolling over the sides. I liked to make my sundaes neat so that all the ice cream stayed in the bowl and whatnot. They didnt like that.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)She is a little darling of the corporate media, isn't she? Just make the story sweet, syrupy, with some whipped cream on top.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:34 PM - Edit history (1)
She's our new Sarah Palin now...Even though there is a mountain of evidence and research to expose her as a $$$$$ grubbing fraud, she ALWAYS gets the kid gloves treatment as her profile gets bigger...
I'm at least glad that all the DUers who were cheerleaders for her are long gone...
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)There are a few left, but they got quieter about supporting her when Erasuregate happened and then she became BFFs with Rick Scott.
She wrote a book? Why does this depress me?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)"On crafting the idea to form StudentsFirst over dinner at a restaurant in Sacramento:
"I flew to Sacramento on September 24 to spend time with KMJ and his mom, Mother Rose... As soon as I walked into Mulvaney's restaurant, KMJ took one look at me and asked, 'What is it? You're contemplating something, I can tell.' ... My frustration came from the perspective of an education reformer - from the top. I figured that the right superintendent who was willing to make changes and had political backing could accomplish bold reforms. I was proved wrong, because I didn't figure in the power of the unions. KMJ was plotting and jotting notes. 'If we are going to make a difference, we need to start a movement. A movement of everyday people who are fed up with their kids getting a subpar education. We need to create a vehicle through which they can take action and drive change,' he said... KMJ kept jotting. We kept talking. Finally, he turned over his notes for Mother Rose and me to see. He had sketched out our new organization. We settled on a plan to create a national advocacy group that would raise money and build membership with the goal of providing political muscle to leaders who stood for change."
SO...we learn that KJM, her hubby, Kevin Johnson, created Students First during a dinner with Rhee and his mother. Wow.
Here she goes again blasting unions. There's real hate there in her mind for unions. Well, I don't like her at all. So there.
On StudentsFirst's strategy as a lobbying organization:
"The power of StudentsFirst is not in playing the inside game. The Teachers unions have a thirty-year head start on walking the halls of state capitols, bonding legislators to their causes and meting out retribution to those who cross them. We are not going to beat them at that game. We have to play and win in the outside game... We will have to put pressure on legislators they have never felt from anyone other than unions. We will need to counterbalance the unions' money with our members."
And she tells why her group gave CA such a bad report grade grade. She's not done there in that state. Californians beware!
That's where the Obama administration and StudentsFirst came in. We worked with our members and reform organization partners across the state to educate the opinion makers, legislators, and general public about how poor the bill was and how it would be a step backward for California. Our members emailed and called legislative offices for days leading up to the vote... While we were successful in scuttling this bad piece of legislation, the lesson is stark. Not only are we nowhere close to trying to craft meaningful evaluation policy in California, but we're having to pull out all the stops to try to defend against legislation that would move the state in the wrong direction. Had StudentsFirst and the reform community failed to mobilize quickly, in all likelihood this bill would have swept through the legislature, moving the state's public education system backward, without any pushback or opposition. This is the dynamic that we're up against in California and the reason why it
.will take a massive grassroots movement to achieve education reform in the Golden State."
Grassroots, my hind foot. Corporate bullies.
Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2013/01/rhee-talks-romance-and-ca-politics-in-new-autobiography.html#storylink=cpy
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)She thinks the CA teacher unions have no opposition here? I guess she snapped during our entire white knuckle fight against the Koch brothers and Prop 32. She must have known about it, ed reform buddy and DFER troll Gloria Romero sided with the right wing against her own party to come out and campaign *for* Prop 32.
http://fryingpannews.org/2012/10/05/how-gloria-romero-became-the-face-of-proposition-32/
I wouldn't be surprised to find out if Michelle Rhee is on the take from the Koch brothers, if not now, then soon in the future.
reteachinwi
(579 posts)but here is a partial accounting.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/24/michelle-rhees-backers-in_n_1300146.html
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)A mix of the usual suspects and some big Republican money. The next couple of election cycles here are going to be...interesting. o.O
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I believe Arne and Obama are fearful of talking against her, of standing up for the teachers she insults almost daily.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Then we elected the wrong guy.
He's supposed to have what it takes to lead a defense if hostile forces attack.
But he's afraid of a demagogue?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Her policy is his policy, that is for sure. Maybe he and Arne let her have free rein because they don't disagree with her.
I do believe people don't mess with her for a reason...just not sure what that reason is.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)I think it's more likely that Obama agrees with Rhee than that he's afraid of her.
(And if he IS afraid of her, that's just pathetic; he's got more power than anyone but the Kochs and they're ilk)
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Also, Rahm Emanuel and his family are heavily invested in privatizing public education.
Don't fool yourself, Obama has signed on to this.
reteachinwi
(579 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I like that.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)the parents unless they have access to help as well. I don't really look at my daughter's textbooks much. She never really needs my help with her homework, but this morning she had her pre-cal book out because her teacher asked her to put a cover on it to protect the book. While she had it out I got a good look at the cover and at the very top it said Core Curriculum Edition. It was like I was a vampire and I had just seen the sun. It was revolting. I pointed at the words and said that is why your brother is taking an 8th grade math class even though he is not at that cognitive level. I did just get to fill out an online survey given by the Board of Education and the Superintendent of Public Instruction. They were asking what we value more in a school's performance: high state test scores, or an ability to demonstrate a good rate of improvement. There was also a comment section where I told them that I did not appreciate that my son's curriculum was based soley on grade level and not on cognitive ability. I don't know if it will make a difference but at least they were aking the question.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)They in their wisdom have decided that your kid will be tested on what they decide to put in a test.
That's why so many teachers are protesting these high stakes test. That's why these Seattle teachers are protesting the MAP test pushed by Broad and Gates, et al. It tests the kids on stuff that was not even covered in the classroom..
Battle in Seattle. Teachers take stand against high-stakes test. Could get suspensions
I agree with you that this one size fits all education is not going to fit anyone comfortably.
reteachinwi
(579 posts)Teachers have been discredited by reformers and their governor stooges. I'm going to rant but will try to be brief. We gave standardized tests for the last 17 years I taught. The 10th grade test was given in the first two weeks of November, after the students had been in 10th grade for one quarter. When we would do test analysis the following spring I would point out that the students were taught the material on various questions they did poorly on in December, or February, or March. My recommendations for improvement was to give the test in April, after the curriculum had been taught(!). I was summarily dismissed, the state needed time to correct the tests (I, apparently, didn't need time to present the curriculum.). It was frustrating, dishonest even, and I felt that the real purpose of the tests was to prove the failure of public education. Parents can do a great deal to save their schools. Teachers are under a great deal of fire and they are not listened to or respected. It shouldn't be necessary but this is where we are.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It has taken a while for people to realize it. If not why are companies given carte blanche to make up proprietary tests with no oversight. Why are testing companies requiring parents to hire lawyers if they question a test score.
It's really bad stuff when you get down to the nitty gritty.
roody
(10,849 posts)Bucky
(54,033 posts)Bucky
(54,033 posts)duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Such behavior would get teachers in many if not most states fired and their licenses suspended or revoked.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It is not believable a teacher would do that and think it is okay. Rhee seems to think it's really funny.
reteachinwi
(579 posts)from 1992 to 1995. Her effectiveness:
http://gfbrandenburg.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/the-rhee-miracle-examined-again-by-cohort/
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Thanks for the link. He's right.
"Why does this matter?
Simply because I think its important for the public to know that the main spokesperson for the movement for additional dumb standardized testing, for teaching to the test, and for firing teachers based on those dumb tests, would herself have been fired under those criteria.
And she has lied repeatedly about that, and has repeatedly claimed that she performed some sort of miracle when she was teaching in Baltimore: a miracle that no-one else has ever, ever achieved.
Voters in DC, to their credit, saw through her lies and voted Adrian Fenty out of office largely because of her lies (I think) and the horrible effects she had on DC public schools. Yay! But in the rest of the country, people probably only know her because of adoring media coverage that paints her as some sort of saint; she has become an advisor to several right-wing Republican governors who think that the key to educational success is breaking teacher unions."
reteachinwi
(579 posts)close to your home.
When Gov. Rick Scott unveiled some of his education policy proposals with school-choice celeb Michelle Rhee this January, they paid a visit to a second-grade class at Florida International Academy in Opa-Locka to showcase the successes of school choice.
Oops.
The school rankings are out. And the academys new elementary school just got an F.
http://www.rheefirst.com/rick-scott-and-michelle-rhee-praise-charter-that-just-got-an-f
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Bill Gates bought a whole county, a big one.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/5977
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/6011
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/6872
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Of course, it won't work. It isn't supposed to.
Note that the schools Gates, Duncan, and others send their kids to do NOT have such a classist agenda.
It's all about tracking students into low-wage, no future employment, and restricting higher education for the masses.
By "higher education," I mean high school.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I have an article, will see if I can find it.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)for three years and performed miracles, or so she says. All of her miraculous claims about her experience in the classroom or in the administration office are sketchy. What is not sketchy are he bonafides as just another Ivy League grifter working a longcon on the parents of disadvantaged public schools kids to enrich her Wall Street sugar daddies.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)That was after the hideous duct-tape episode.
Disgusting woman.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)she parlayed her failures as a teacher and a human being into far more lucrative employment.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)why the duct tape stunt wasn't a career killer for her. It is really inexcusable to do something like that. It's a wonder she wasn't frog marched out of the building and charged with child abuse. It's strange, but what's even stranger is that she finds it a humorous anecdote and no one ever calls her out on it publicly.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)She's very narcissistic and sadistic.
So long as the duct tape wasn't ripped from her face she's fine with it.
It says something about the people around her who don't call her out on her "humorous anecdote".
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)if she had the dirt on her bosses and threatened to start blabbing...
LiberalFighter
(50,981 posts)She failed to perform her duties twice (at least). Making sure her brother had good grades and providing sundaes according to company policy.
Personally, I think she lies about Korean tradition that punishes the sister instead of the brother.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Or real jobs programs, or universal health care, or housing subsidies, let alone pay for a quality education for every student.
Get real. We got photo opps to attend. Interviews. Sunday morning tee vee.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)serves Wall Street. Wall Street aims to cash in big time on public education. Wall Street bankrolls grifters like Michelle Rhee to sell "education reform" through corporate media the same way Judith Miller used it to pitch the very profitable Iraq War for them.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)A version of this interview appeared in print on February 3, 2013, on page MM12 of the Sunday Magazine with the headline: Reform School.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)In fact quite good.