but way to drag something in that has jackshit to do with this terrible story about brutality to a girl child and the acceptance of it.

think of Halliburton and the woman who was raped as one example. Yes this crime is more horrific but I bet that corps have done nearly as bad.

Get off your soapbox for 5 minutes. This was a little girl, who's short time on earth was hellish.

it's threadjacking, but whatevre.

You attacked no person. You made a valid point, and I totally get it.

Ignore the corporate shills.

the comment has nothing whatsoever to do with the thread and it's callous and disrespectful. Frankly, I did not and would not call for its deletion. If someone wants demonstrate that they are callous and insensitive, go for it.

with doing great harm and only gets a slap on the wrist.

Did you miss that part?? I guess you were too busy getting potty-mouthed with me to notice.

What's "callous and insensitive" is giving ANYONE in power who gets away with doing great harm a complete pass. But carry on with carrying water for the corporations.

everything is connected, but it's exceedingly sloppy thinking to try and connect corporate malfeasance, an indubitably important topic, with the rape and torture murder of a child.

Critical thinking is not carrying water for corporations. you're being ridiculous.

The world over corporations, or people in power in general, get away with murder and more all of the time.

2259 people died in the Bhopal incident. 11 people died in the BP explosion on the Gulf.

We have blood diamonds. The Ogoni people "When the Ogoni people of Nigeria began to nonviolently protest Shell’s oil development, Shell colluded with the Nigerian military regime to violently suppress opposition through extrajudicial killing, torture, and crimes against humanity. More than 60 villages were raided, over 800 people were killed, and 30,000 more were displaced from their homes."

The list goes on and on.

In some countries the people in power are there because of a religion. In others they are in power because of wealth and corporate power.

In both cases they get away with just about anything they want with at most, usually, just a small fine.

We abhor things as seen in the OP - and yet we let the same things happen here time and again with little to no press or outrage against them.

"A private equity fund run by Goldman Sachs Group Inc, under fire over its business ethics, has agreed to sell back its stake in a media company that critics say facilitates sex trafficking." - gosh, all they did was help fund it, and they didn't even get a fine.

We have problems here, in our own country, that we should be outraged over and taking measures to prosecute and stop. Instead, like in this case, we dole out some fines.

I can be outraged at both, but only one is in a region I can do much about.

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to claim my post was in defense of corporations.

I agree with you 1000%.

...that happens to be about corporations makes one a "corporate shill?" That's the most ridiculous fucking thing I've heard in weeks.

I alerted on that shit...and for the record, I'm a socialist. Pro-corporation my skinny goth ass...

I get that corporate corruption is bad. Everybody here does. But this comment was totally fucking insensitive, even if not intended to be so. Get a clue, would ya?

sick SOB

He needs to be locked up forever. If the Saudis don't recognize what a danger he is then they are the crazy ones.

I'd make an exception for. I'm betting if the mother had had a choice, she'd have picked 'blood' over money. The pain that little one went through is just unimaginable. What a sick freak.

Take the mofo out and chop his head off!

This is one case in which I would gladly advocate the death penatly.

Sorry, I know that's not popular here, but there are some people in the world who really deserve it and this is one of them.

So, how much does it cost to rape and kill Saudi children?

That's what I read a few days ago in the BBC.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21281992

I'm not sure what additional costs are incurred getting a judge to absolve you of such a hideous crime.

If he was a relative of mine , he'd be a dead man. Call that hypocritical , call that whatever you like...but when a system that is designed to " protect " (sorry , can't think of a better phrase right now) your right to do that to someone...then I start to see merit in " eye for an eye " .

and I didn't go to the article - it's heartbreaking and scary and horrific. The fact that this man is walking around free makes it clear that the Saudi justice system should drop the word 'justice' from its name.

this makes me want to support torture .

and fuck the saudi leadership

That fucking criminal would already be dead

Alert this. I don't give a fuck. I typed it and it was read.

Fuck all of these baby fucking religious fucks to a painful slow death.

That's all I ask.

Hopefully one that smells so bad that people puke when they come into your death room.

If you said that out loud, do you think anyone wouldn't think of you as a violent psychopath?

Just imagine someone writing a letter to their local paper, advocating drilling into people's eyeballs as part of the sentence. If you saw that, would you think "a reasonable feeling for a progressive", or would you think "that's the kind of unhinged vicious bastard that posts on Free Republic"?

Would any normal person think that the death penalty is an insufficient deterrent against such rape and murder - that there is some person that thinks "I'd do these horrible things to a child if all I risk was being put to death, but it's the chance they'll make me die in agony that makes me decide not to"?

Because what this "man of God" did was beyond depraved.

Would you think "that's a mature view", "they're just blowing off steam", or "oh my god, we've got to get this child to a psychologist"? Or something else?

the freak...raped a child...to death.

you might want to keep your fucking empathy for baby fucker killers to yourself ...just a clue.

judging by the way you've just used it. There are 2 societies with problems here. One is Saudi Arabia, where a psychopath can become a cleric, commit a vile crime against his child, and get off with a wrist slap. The other is the USA, with people like you in - who want to torture. There is a discussion going on in Meta-discussion on whether you are in favour of just torture, or of torture and rape as a form of punishment.

The cleric tortured his daughter. You don't fix anything by torturing him too. You are being very offensive by lying and saying that I side with the man. But, mainly, you are showing you have a deep personal desire to see people hurt. You need to fix that.

I'll ask you the same question I asked backscatter712: if you heard a ten year old saying they wanted a rapist and murderer's eyes drilled out (and raped to death? We're still not sure if that's what you're advocating), how would you react? Would you applaud the child?

That word doesn't mean what you think it does.

I agree with MV btw. Wanting to see the person who raped a child to death raped to death is an... interesting viewpoint, now isn't it?

in this thread are pretty clearly just blowing off steam. This story is so horrific I think people are sort of in shock.

and should be called out on it. If they think it's big and clever to invent more and more painful ways of hurting people they despise, they are more more likely to support torture in Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib. There's also the question of whether they want people hurt just to please themselves.

A violent sociopath.

I also don't indulge in either rape and/or other violent revenge fantasies.

I agree with Muriel.

He was talking about a child rapist, the person who committed the crime is nuts not the person who says what should happen to them ( because let's be real here that person couldn't do anything)

It's OK, as far as you're concerned, for voters to vote for criminals to be tortured, because the voters won't do it themselves? Or is it just OK, as in this case, to call for torture in other countries where you don't have a vote?

How do you feel about people calling for criminals to be raped in revenge?

kills this bastard. He'll do it again.

He should be at the very least imprisioned for the rest of his worthless life.

This bastard would have been taken out, and ripped apart by an angry mob. And yet, he's going to walk away, scot free.

This.....is what extremism in religion does to people.

They are crazy for not isolating him from the community.

Why is this psychopath allowed to pay his way out of destroying a little person? He's obviously a serial killer and will do it again. Why wasn't the little girl taken away after he did it the first time? The last year of her life must have been unspeakable and agonizing horror. I'm glad she will never be touched by this piece of human refuse ever again.

is almost unbearable knowledge and that he was enabled by the system makes it that much worse.

It's horrific and so so sad.

In Saudi Arabia. Nor can he be given a long prison sentence for this. Generally, he only pays blood money.

That is Saudi Law.

What are the chances our country will put sanctions and embargoes on Saudi Arabia for such vicious human rights abuses?

I wish their was a way to get BC pills to all the women in SA. Just stop having kids in this system for 5 years. Maybe 10. If you rape, torture and kill our beautiful children, that's it...no more.

That poor baby. He should be taken outside and dismembered, very slowly.

I can't even say what I want done to this piece of trash.

Pity they didn't give this bastard that punishment...

I'd make sure they'd omit that first step. IIRC, it would take him three days to die.

Man rapes and kills a child? Pay a fine.
Woman drives a car? Ten lashes.

All hail our brave and loyal allies in the war on terror!!!

Nor can he get a long prison sentence. They are his property.

That is Saudi law.

to say about "honor" killing a 5 year old for not being a virgin after you repeatedly raped her?

When they adopted Wahhabism, Mohammed became "un-Islamic."

Sort of like how Christian fundies hate everything Jesus stood for.

Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (d. 1792) was the first modern Islamic fundamentalist and extremists. Wahhab made the central point of his reform movement the principle that absolutely every idea added to Islam after the third century of the Mulsim era (about 950 CE) was false and should be eliminated. Muslims, in order to be true Muslims, must adhere solely and strictly to the original beliefs set forth by Muhammad.
http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicsects/a/wahhabi.htm

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/islam/countries/bl_SaudiIslamWahhabi.htm

They also beheaded a babysitter because the infant died while she was watching babysitting.

Next time the USA uses human rights violations to trick us into supporting a war, I guess we know they are full of shit.

This guy should be tortured to the point of insanity. Healed and tortured again, over and over. I don't care how "un-liberal" this is. I don't give a fuck about how we're supposed to be unemotional in the dispensing of justice. An unspeakable crime deserves an unspeakable punishment.

And he'll get none of what he deserves.

I feel the same way

I fervently hope that someone takes care of the bastard!!!! He already killed his daughter. Who knows what he might do to another child.

...I'm usually not one to promote the old "eye for an eye" kind of justice, but in this case I'd happily do it myself. With a broken broomstick.

How could anyone do such a thing? They need to change their laws. I do not believe that this can possibly be in accordance with the teachings of the Koran. They have perverted Islam in that country.

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These kind of stories should make every decent human beings blood boil, not try to deflect it by talking about something else totally unrelated and irrelevant.

I thought I'd weigh in. I understand that people are horrified and upset by this crime and that this man is walking free, but I would not like to see him raped or tortured or put to death. I am against the dp with no exceptions.

He should have been locked up for the rest of his life.

But I don't wish for him to be raped or tortured either. It won't bring the child back and it won't make the scumbag learn a lesson if he's tortured.

...and I say that as someone who weighed in on what I'd like to do to him.

In reality I would be incapable of doing what my imagination says I would like to do. And not only that, the death penalty is wrong in all cases.

Unbelievable justice system in place there
The crimes committed were horrific
No justice

and is itself religiously based. And beyond that this is about the fact that the most vile human rights abuses in the world and those most overlooked, are against women and girls.

Were the xtian fundies get their theocracy here, I doubt it would be any better a justice system.

How could anyone even hit a kid let alone do what that sick fuck did

I am so heartbroken for that poor little girl. And so angry at that horrible, evil man. He deserves to be tortured to death.

- Blaise Pascal

Sid

Sounds like he's simply a sadistic pedophile who got his jollies by raping and torturing his little child.

According to social worker Randa al-Kaleeb, Lama had been raped "everywhere." Hospital staff told the girl's mother that her "daughter's rectum had been torn open and the abuser had attempted to burn it closed," Agence France-Presse reports.

That SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!

A FINE, that prick is only ordered to pay a fine????????

I'm seething with anger. Is there a petition out there to bring this guy to justice?





Death must have come as a relief to this poor child.

There's no place in hell deep or hot enough for that POS.

http://rt.com/news/saudi-preacher-fine-rape-333/

I don't know anything about Twitter, but I read this at least calling for 'more severe punishment for violence against women and children.'

The 'Women to Drive' campaign, launched by women's rights activist Manal Sharif, has demanded the creation of legislation that would criminalize violence against women and children.

The petition is circulating on Twitter under the hashtag 'Ana Lama' – "I am Lama" in Arabic

Maybe someone who replies could find out if there's anything specific for this POS child-raping, filthy 'cleric'.

I am so angry!!! It's hard to digest the horrible things that this animal did to his own daughter, but to then find out that he only received a slap in the hand is even more infuriating. How can someone be beheaded for renouncing Islam, but only has to pay "blood money" for raping, torturing and killing a 5 year old child? Never mind, I know the answer, it's because she's a girl. I wonder what the penalty would have been if he had done the same to a boy?

Sometimes the world makes me sick.

I'd lock the scumbag up for life. Blood money just doesn't cut it, IMO.

... along with anything else hanging around.

"must pay fine" It should be more than a fine. He should be facing a death penalty.