however, all the songs sound alike to me.

Not my cup of tea

too much screaming and repetition

someone stepping on a cat's tail

I seems like the last few years of Superbowl half-time shows have been horrible IMO.

was it pantomiming again?

Super Bowl shows are ALWAYS lip-synced. Even when the Boston Pops played a few years back, it was pre-recorded.

In some cases, they may let the featured singer actually sing live over a track that has everything else (band and backup vocals) pre-recorded. There is no way you can handle more than a half dozen mics in such a short time. I didn't watch the Beyonce show because that stuff sounds dreadfully monotonous to me, so I can't say if she was allowed to sing over a track or if the whole thing was lip-synced. I assume she was dancing a bit. If a person is doing a strenuous dance routine, it is almost certainly lip-synced or else you would hear the strain in the singing. If she did any talking between songs, then she probably had a live mic. But that doesn't mean the singing was live.

And you may notice that there are never any amplifiers on stage when there is a "live band". Back in the glory days, rock bands had an arsenal of amps right on stage with them. That is rarely done these days because it puts so much sound on the stage that it is very difficult to control feedback. So even if a band is playing live, they will be piping all their sound into the master mix, and then they will rely on sophisticated monitor systems to hear what they are playing. This makes the stage relatively quiet and feedback-free. That's great, but it takes hours to get the monitors adjusted right. Even if this were all tested ahead of time, that is just too many variables to deal with in a short set-up window.

dddddd

no section of the act could go over 15 seconds, lest the audience get bored.

I think she's a major talent, but this show didn't showcase her talent at all.

Coarse & chaotic. Lots of noise, little if any art.

... she sounds exactly like 500 of her contemporaries. Back in the day, vocalists had their own style, not a generic one.

n/t

I agree about the 500 contemporaries. All the same. Now Whitney ... you know as soon as you hear the first note who the singer is!

Bake

Holy moley!

...and Janet Jackson's nipple.

*EGREGIOUS*

They're my favorites.

Not a fan AT ALL of pop, but that show had energy to spare. It looked like she and her crew were having fun out there.

she can SING! There is no doubt about that - or her talent!

And she definitely whipped up the crowd, so she must have some kind of charisma. She definitely put on a show.

She was in the other room with her mom working on something.

Thirty young black women in weaves shaking their asses for the leering masses. Something I want my African-American daughter to emulate.

So you gonna hide your daughter her whole life?

Beyonce is a successful African American woman with terrific artistic talent.

And you call that bad?

She "looks like she needs to go to the potty."

truth and H5 for a smart kid. Girl Power!

yes INDEED

Nor would he look away from the TV for nothing or no-one.

I was actually made MORE uncomfortable, as a parent, early in the first quarter, after a tackle, when a couple players got into a shoving/pissing match. I don't feel this game demonstrated a lot of good sportsmanship, and that concerned me.

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The other thing that I noticed. There was not one man on the stage; all the brass, guitars, back-up singers and dancers were red hot women!!

This was the first time in my lifetime that I can recall that happening and I was really thrilled. I've grown up with the norm being all men on stage for pop groups (with maybe 3 Black women singers as backup so they sound good, LOL!), or a couple of females thrown in. I think Paul Simon will add a couple women to the 30 or so men on stage with him.

I'm sure some of you can come up with another instance of this, but I don't recall a huge production like this that was all female. I've seen it all male many, many times, but never all female.

Loved it!! I wish I could have been up there with them (looking like that)!

and FYI in all seriousness Beyonce is about as far away as you can get from that word.

You are being OTT. There are MUCH worse role models out there... and there are better ones. THe key to success is a MIX.

Make her read the Bluest Eye when she is old enough.

Beyonce is far away from being a slut?

OK.

Did you see the half-time show? Sluts En Regalia. By the Dozens.

all of them young women of color. And how is this role-modeling for my child? or any child of color? You will be valuable when you can be a sex object at the Super Bowl. An empowering message if ever there was one.

Go ahead and define the word...

Just do it...

What does it mean to you...

The woman is successful, has only married ONE guy, oh and has a kid which she had AFTER she was married. Oh an she donates to charities (and yes she performed in Dubai... that was bad). But really to use that word to describe her is OTT.

WHO are you Rush Limbaugh in disguise? Your comment's are OTT and should be edited to remove that hateful word.

And because she is financially successful and married, that makes it OK, which therefore makes her beyond criticism.

This makes no sense whatsoever.

I am done with this because we obviously clearly disagree and I am going to walk away before we get super escalated.

However I think again your usage of the new word in the above post is OTT as well.

the "slut" word apparently triggers something in you.

Using less charged language, I think the images conveyed by Beyonce's performance were terrible, and a very poor image to be conveyed for any young woman of color.

...whatever you call somebody who spends $600K on a solid-gold rocking horse.

or similar.

That's what the nasty Republican misogynistic assholes we fight against here everyday call women.

But here at DU, we try to maintain community standards that aren't mired in bigotry and right wing talking points.

I would ask you kindly to edit your posts to remove the disgusting term you used to describe a beautiful, successful woman of color.

Someone else did alert and got it hidden.

I was so frustrated last night when the word kept getting tossed around on this thread.

It's not okay, end of story.

ty of your child's view on her self-worth, limits on her abilities, etc.

And you put words in his mouth suggesting that Beyonce is the problem. The issue he took with the performance which he found vulgar and I would actually refrain my own child from that as well. Susan Rice is far more successful and is beautiful, smart, and talented but keeps her clothing on.

Show was way too suggestive for a mass audience.

Jesus fucking Christ on a trailer hitch...who are you people.

Also, people educated in the arts.

I don't think it is we who need to get a clue.

Want to debate black popular culture of the past 100 years? I will be happy to oblige.

Yes, most female 'pop' stars since Madonna are simply actresses. They are marketed as 'shocking' and 'sexy' young women who rarely have a lot of actual artistic/musical talent. They are capable of incredible acrobatic dance feats whilst singing simultaneously.

Most here don't even realize how technology today allows for massive amounts of vocal processing even at a 'live' performance.

i don't even remember her as trying to be sexy.

and i think Whitney is from the same time as Madonna.

though sadly Whitney Houston was 'made' a pop diva - dancing, acting, singing, performing, etc. Her untimely death attests to the pressures that were placed upon her that she was incapable of dealing with.

Yes, I admit to preferring her vocal talents far more than Beyonce, and correct, Whitney Houston was not as concerned with 'sexy' as Beyonce obviously is.

I don't think pole dancing "empowers" women and I don't think emulating pole dancing does either

thanks!

Apparently this is my beautiful nightmare, huh?

Have a little fun. I love that the person who called out the show as **** then used a word that the word police usually alert on.

Hypocrisy at it's best.

These shows are meant to be entertainment.

for that kind of parenting. You must be one awesome daddy!

but she will see these things later on even if you prevent it in your home.

what are you going to do then ? plus she will see it when just going out sometimes or even when shopping and some of the advertising done.

but what are your plans as she gets older ?

and we provide her with many other images of black women.

We teach her critical thinking skills, and emphasize independent thinking, in looking at everything around her. I am not worried, she is very smart.

I reacted viscerally to this half-time show, and changed the damn channel.

after a certain age you can't prevent her from seeing things but teaching her enough and just having her know that she doesn't need to be like that is the key.


just knowing what is important and not to put soooo much into looks as girls are kind of pressured to do from early on.

will instill in the daughter thru out her life. this undoubtedly will not be the only moment that the parent does their job. and it will reflect in what the child picks up.

good parenting. lucky child that she has parents that think these things thru.

thanks.

daughters especially need fathers (parents) that address this issue.

it is not about a pat on the back, you are right. it is what our job is.

When she's older it would be easier to communicate to her appropriate behaviours and what is not appropriate. I don't get why people ask questions as yours which imply that you take issue with the fact he won't let his daughter see the performance. It's the same reason people wouldn't even at 13 allow their child to watch a porno or NC-17 rated film. Every parent knows they can't protect their child from everything...but they can sure as hell try and warn them away from certain things and behaviours early on.

i would probably do the same if i ever have kids(whether they are boy or girl) at that age. but i was curious to see what else they planned on doing.

on edit, i ddin't see this performance and don't know what they were wearing or doing so i would have to see first before making judgement.

That's what was going on. If I had a daughter that's not what I would show her. Dancing with the Stars....I would, if dancing and the respect of women is what I am looking for. Beyonce like most African Women in the biz buys into these sorts of things that are popular in the Rap and R&B culture. By engaging in these actions they support he misogyny of women, enforce it, and use it for their own monetary gain.

You think I look like this?

I don't.

and if you think for one moment that men are sexualized in our culture the way women are, you are from an alternate universe.

Look I get it. You don't want your 5 y/o daughter watching Beyonce shake her booty to a song named Bootylicious. There are many role models out there, but I don't feel like a very financially successful African American woman who managed her own career, and growth, who has only married once, and only had one child while in wedlock deserves to be called such hateful language. But calling Beyonce that word is just OTT, and I feel it's improper for this discussion board.

However that being said I alerted on the bit I was offended by, and the DU jury let it stand.

Really?

Madonna also made a fortune out of playing the (word that offends you so much).

Is this a positive role model for young women of any color at any time?

I'll leave the role model decision up to you, you are her parent not me.

I think what you did was appropriate for a 5 year old.

grown men in skintight pants violently attacking each other, though.

Violence is cool but god forbid someone gyrate.

Not to start another battle...but...

You know you posted this... http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1018&pid=293319 right? It was Saturday in the lounge at 12am. I'd like to call out your hypocrisy of calling someone something negative but then full heartedly posting this (which is exactly the same thing... see women gyrating, licking their fingers, etc).

In the future I would appreciate it if you did not throw such shade, before looking at one's own lamp. Just Saying. And hey maybe something happened between Saturday and Sunday that was a life changing event... and in that case I retract my argument.

Now I am going to also post the video because it is good, and makes me wanna grove.

but I agree, she was amazing!

Alicia Keys made the Star Spangled Banner sound like lounge music. Feh.

Seemed dreadfully tedious.

Including you. Some of us just don't like her music. Deal with it.

with Bob Hope opening up for them. O wait I don't think that will work. GET ZEPPELIN TO COME BACK FOR THE HALF TIME SHOW!!!

Unreal... old turds chiming in...longing for the fifties.

One side complains about "the damn kids today" the other side replies with "Go listen to your Bob Hope records" its just the way these things work. Old lady screams at kids for going on her lawn, and she becomes a witch to eats children to the kids of the neighborhood.

Marie Osmond.

and her hubby!

The child rocked the place.

No "old turd" here.

Just did not see the appeal of the performance.

I loved it and she is wonderful. ( I'm 64 ) I can't believe all these negative comments.

I'm around the same age as that singer and I don't like her performance. It's an open thread you need to get over yourself.

but really weak songs. Her talent is wasted on that material.

IMHO, of course.

She played her greatest hits.

The hits that made her famous.

(Don't care about either, axctually)