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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:09 AM Feb 2013

Should buyers of Lance Armstrong's books get a refund?

Should buyers of Lance Armstrong's books get a refund?

Disgruntled purchasers of disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong's autobiography are demanding a refund in the courts. Are they really entitled to their money back?

It wasn't about the bike, after all.

It was about the drugs, the lies and the remorseless smears levelled at anyone who dared stand up to Lance Armstrong.

The cyclist's televised confession that he cheated his way to seven Tour de France victories between 1999 and 2005 rendered his two autobiographies - It's Not About the Bike: My Journey Back to Life (2000) and sequel Every Second Counts (2003) - hollow and fraudulent.

The admission shattered the faith of millions, and now readers who bought into Armstrong's inspiring fabrications - about his fightback from cancer to sporting triumph through honest hard work - are seeking compensation.

Two Californians have filed a class-action lawsuit against the cyclist and his publishers Penguin and Random House - on behalf of themselves and other residents of California who bought the books - demanding refunds and other costs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21250032?ocid=socialflow_twitter_bbcworld

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customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
2. And I'm sure they'll get one
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:15 AM
Feb 2013

just about as fast as John Edwards refunds all the campaign contributions that he took in for his 2008 run. And Johnny actually has the possible ability to pay, I doubt that Armstrong is nearly that flush with cash.

I guess the First Amendment protects the rights of fiction writers.

hlthe2b

(102,308 posts)
3. Rumours of doping were swiriling when the books came out...
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:20 AM
Feb 2013

Regardless, he did race the races and mark the times. Drugs alone did not allow him to do that, even though they obviously maximized his performance.

I'm not defending him, but geebus. Enough. Some act as though anyone with a bottle of EPO could have done what Lance (and others did), sans any innate skill and incredibly intense training.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
4. I decided Armstrong..
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:23 AM
Feb 2013

... was a scam a long time ago. And he is still playing the same games, he is still the same narcissist. He has several serious lawsuits coming his way, some of which are going to take a serious bite out of his ass, but when you buy a book, you buy a book. There is no implicit guarantee of any kind associated with your purchase, except perhaps that all the pages are actually there.

Some people are just daft.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
6. Wouldn't that set a precedent for EVERY autobiography that contains some fiction?
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:33 AM
Feb 2013

In the immortal words of Mark Twain:

...he told the truth, mainly. There was things which he stretched, but mainly he told the truth. That is nothing. I never seen anybody but lied one time or another, without it was Aunt Polly, or the widow, or maybe Mary. Aunt Polly—Tom’s Aunt Polly, she is—and Mary, and the Widow Douglas is all told about in that book, which is mostly a true book, with some stretchers, as I said before.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
9. The people I feel sorry for
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:44 AM
Feb 2013

Are the ones who came in second place in the races he won. They might have gotten some work (commercials, product endorsement, whatever) out of winning these races.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
14. The vast majority of those were either found to have done drugs
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:23 PM
Feb 2013

or accused of it...the doping was and is so widespread in this sport that saying 100% of cyclists do it is not far off.

rppper

(2,952 posts)
15. You beat me to it.....
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:50 PM
Feb 2013

Here's a little reminder for the younger crowd....or older if you missed put on guns and roses or soundgarden in 1989...


Check out this video on YouTube:


gollygee

(22,336 posts)
17. I have no idea how anyone ever fell for that
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:18 PM
Feb 2013

If you ever heard them in an interview, their speaking voice is so different from the voices in the songs that it was very obvious they weren't doing the singing.

alp227

(32,037 posts)
18. Because Rob & Fab were from Europe and were the faces of some faceless American vocalists.
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:23 PM
Feb 2013

I think their first interviews sparked the lip synching rumors. People were wondering, the rapper doesn't sound the same talking as he does rapping in "Girl You Know It's True".

However I wonder, does one's regional accent show in singing? I listen to a lot of British artists and have often been surprised sometimes when I learn about a singer being from the UK.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
19. Didn't they also have much higher voices?
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:26 PM
Feb 2013

And it seemed like a very strong accent, if I remember correctly, and the guys singing seem obviously to be American. As soon as I heard them in an interview, I felt certain they weren't singing those songs.

But of course it's been ages. It seems like the people doing the Grammys should have been able to tell though.

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