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(11,804 posts)or specific to that racist, misogynist, homophobic asshole Ahmadinejad. Could go either way I suppose.
Bryant
still_one
(92,273 posts)Hypocrisy lives strong here.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)aptal
(304 posts)BUSH = CHIMP = Ok
Ahmadinejad = Monkey = Racist
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Jeez, even republicans are calling him out on it yet some Liberals here are ok with it? Is this the Twilight Zone?
aptal
(304 posts)We can call a white man whatever we want, but if their skin color is different then it becomes racist?
I just don't think Mccain, as stupid as he is, was being racist.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)White men have never, ever, EVER been oppressed in the history of the world. Men of color have ALWAYS been oppressed. You cannot be racist against someone who has always had power.
And yes, we can call a white man whatever we want. Skin color makes all the difference. If you don't get that, you are beyond help.
Christ on a crutch, I am SICK of the stupid.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Must Defend White Male Privelege.
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)McCain is old enough to know that. I really don't see how there can be much doubt here. Calling W "chimp" isn't the same.
aptal
(304 posts)Let me teach you something now.
The Arab slave trade was the practice of slavery in the Arab world, mainly in Western Asia, North Africa, East Africa, and certain parts of Europe (such as Iberia and Sicily) during their period of domination by Arab leaders. The trade was focused on the slave markets of the Middle East, North Africa and the Horn of Africa. People traded were not limited to a certain race, ethnicity, or religion, and included Arabs and Berbers, especially during the trade's early days.
During the 8th and 9th centuries of the Fatimid Caliphate, most of the slaves were Slavic Eastern Europeans (called Saqaliba). However, slaves were drawn from a wide variety of regions and included Mediterranean peoples, Persians, Turkic peoples, peoples from the Caucasus mountain regions (such as Georgia, Armenia and Circassia) and parts of Central Asia and Scandinavia, English, Dutch and Irish, Berbers from North Africa, and various other peoples of varied origins as well as those of African origins. Toward the 18th and 19th centuries, the flow of slaves from East Africa increased with the rise of the Oman sultanate which was based in Zanzibar. They came into direct trade conflict and competition with Portuguese and other Europeans along the Swahili coast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade
White people have been oppressed many many times in history by their own people and other people.
Slavery in early medieval Europe was relatively uncommon and in Western Europe slavery largely disappeared by the later Middle Ages.[1] It was widespread at the end of antiquity. The etymology of the word slave comes from this period, the word sklabos meaning Slav.[2][3] Slavery declined in the Middle Ages in most parts of Europe as serfdom slowly rose, but it never completely disappeared. It persisted longer in Southern and Eastern Europe.[4] In Poland slavery was forbidden in the 15th century; it was replaced by the second enserfment. In Lithuania, slavery was formally abolished in 1588.[5]
Throughout this period slaves were traded openly in most cities, including cities as diverse as Marseilles, Dublin, Verdun and Prague, and many were sold to buyers in the Middle East. The town of Caffa in the Crimea was called the capital of the medieval slave trade, but an overland route to Caliphate of Córdoba took pagan and dualist Slavs from Kiev through Lviv and Prague, at that time the borderlands of Christianity, this arduous land route competing with the North-South route by river which led to the Black Sea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe
Now, if want to ratiffy your statement and say something like. "I am no historian but in the history that I am aware of, which is only recent American history, there have never been oppressed white men."
See, that would be a correct statement.
aptal
(304 posts)I think the McCains statement was stupid and unbecoming of a US senator but I don't find it racist.
And I also think that many people try to find racism in the opponents and cause faux outrage.
still_one
(92,273 posts)still_one
(92,273 posts)Armenian genocide?
Of course in those cases it was mostly white people oppressing other white people,
Then again I am not sure I would classify Iranians as people of color. Iranians are indo-European. They are not Arabs
In fact if you trace the origins of different ethnicities, we are all related
However, there is no question that African Americans have been the victims of more racism than any other ethnic group
thetonka
(265 posts)It doesn't matter the color of the skin, racism is racism. Saying you can not be racist against a person with white skin is not only racist, but it supports and justifies racism.
rac·ism
noun \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Definition of RACISM
1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
If, in your mind, all other races besides the white people can NOT be racist you are assigning a superiority to all other races. You are a racist!
Whisp
(24,096 posts)that paved the way to more riches to the likes of Cheney and Co and didn't get near enough criticism here as far as I'm concerned. We could fill up the universe with a googleplex of notes saying Buck you Fush and it still would not be enough.
wtf?
ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)I think it's more a shot at Ahmedinijad's INTELLIGENCE than his skin tone. If you want to hate McCain, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to do so. I just don't see this as one of them.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And has a long history of racism. Especially when you know what the derogatory word for middle-easterners is.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)That's one towering molehill you found there...
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)intelligence, that's what words like moron, idiot, imbecile are for. Btw, Mahmoud is most likely smarter than John McCain.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)I got to see him many years ago...not that he was the president I wanted to see, but it was an opportunity....I took pictures and he looked like a chimp. My in-laws, die hard republicans, thought so too. He has the facial features.
This country has a horrible history of calling people of color monkeys. The language was used to dehumanize people. So what McCain said was wrong and he needs to be called out on it....here is another thing....did you see one democratic congressperson call Bush a chimp? That answer is NO.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)You stated upthread that W was called a chimp because he's a moron.
So which is it?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And like I said up thread, it's NEVER ok to make the comparison.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)B: That you are trying to draw a line somewhere between "chimp" and "monkey" is just a wee bit ridiculous. You've lost your objectivity in my opinion.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)of racist connotation.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Are you talking natives of Africa, or natives of the Arabic region?
Because seriously, I had no idea that there was a long standing tradition of Arabs being equated with monkeys, chimps or gorillas like Africans have.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Leaving aside the matter of whether you're simply making a semantic quibble (yes, I understand the difference between a primate and a monkey...don't bother going there), a lot of people did call W a monkey.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Someone presents a perfectly reasonable assertion and you fatuously compare them to Fox News? Fuck that. Welcome to ignore...I have zero interest in game players.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)aptal
(304 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)JHB
(37,161 posts)He was famous for his mediocrity in scholarship and in business, and infamous for mangling what was supposed to be his native tongue. In 2000, his most notable achievement was to be elected to the weakest governorship in the union. He insisted everything be boiled down to one-page memos. He kept failing upward thanks to a golden Rolodex. His most notable talent and skill was in schmoozing.
In short, Bush got his simian nickname the hard (on the rest of us) way: he earned it.
Whether McCain's comment about Ahmenajahd was racist, I won't pretend to mind-read but it wasn't necessarily so.
Calling Bush Chimpy was based on his moronic actions and lack of intellectual curiosity. Why people do not get that is beyond me.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I'd certainly say that is moronic and shows a lack of any intellectual curiosity, mainly because it's based in his religious hatred for a group of people.
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)his facial features-- closely spaced eyes, small nose
ecstatic
(32,717 posts)We can goof off here, but McShame represents his state and the United States. His tweet was tacky, immature, and not becoming of a long time senator.
GETTINGTIRED
(330 posts)class or integrity
Freedomofspeech
(4,227 posts)and needs to go away, now.
Mass
(27,315 posts)Just a general sense of property.
pnwest
(3,266 posts)Surely to God that's a hoax
appleannie1
(5,067 posts)to retire.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Oh Noes, the intertubes will never be the same
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)In some ways, I rather like her...but she needs to stop trying to drag her dad out of the stone age. Don't fight battles you can't possibly win, Meghan!
Smilo
(1,944 posts)............ he hasn't an ounce of decency or diplomacy in his body.
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Siwsan
(26,276 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)We really dodged a bullet by not electing such an offensive man to the presidency.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)and suddenly that's bad?
Gee, I wonder if anyone ever called a homophobic religious nutbar a name on DU...
Hmmmmmmmmmmm...
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)for a prominent Senator (who was almost President) to make stupid jokes publicly, in the diplomatic process?
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Sorry - fuck Ahmadinejad. Unlike many here, the enemy of my enemy isn't my friend.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)not be in the business of trying to be the next Leno or Letterman when there are serious foreign policy problems at stake. They should be above that and conduct themselves accordingly. Anything less is an embarrassment, and possibly detrimental to any future negotiations--which might be what McBombIran intends here, incidentally.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)pressure don't work, do you start a war or try one last thing that hasn't been tried?
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)If he ever was useful, which is doubtful.
I hate that stupid old fucker.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Leslie Valley
(310 posts)n/t
ecstatic
(32,717 posts)There should be a code of conduct regarding how US senators behave and interact with the world. This really is less about Iran and more about how much of a joke McCain has become.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Think about that for a second. Not only did he select he most woefully under-qualified VP candidate of all time, but now he's referring to foreign leaders as monkeys. He was also singing about bombing Iran.
This is just pathetic.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)You have to have a sense of humor to get it. I chuckled.
I think there are lots more important things to get "outraged! " about.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)But someone probably has to have a juvenile sense of humor to find it funny.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I didn't find it laugh out loud funny. But one thing I have noticed, some duers seem to be looking for things to get outraged about, and don't appear to have any kind of sense of humor, much less juvenile or any flavor.
spanone
(135,851 posts)I guess it was too easy a joke for McCain to avoid, but he should really have some sensitivity.
AndyA
(16,993 posts)He's losing it.
What a disgrace McCain is.
nolabear
(41,987 posts)The fact he doesn't know that is an indicator of something troubling.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)If that were the case, we'd have the President of the United States calling another world leader a monkey, Talk about dodging a bullet.
JI7
(89,254 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)"oh yeah? Well the jerk store called, and they're running out of John McCain."