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John McCain's Racist Tweet of the Day (Original Post) JaneyVee Feb 2013 OP
I guess the question is whether this comment is general to dark skin people el_bryanto Feb 2013 #1
I am not sure that would be racist. Is it any different than what people said about bush jr.? still_one Feb 2013 #2
Exactly... aptal Feb 2013 #5
Find the hypocrisy. I dare you. JaneyVee Feb 2013 #11
Are you serious???? aptal Feb 2013 #15
Its NEVER ok to compare brown people to monkey's. If you think so then that's your opinion. JaneyVee Feb 2013 #22
Well we will have to agree to disagree. aptal Feb 2013 #27
Here. LEARN something. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #33
Just another sleeper that got activated. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #35
Plus, "monkey" has been used as a particularly disgusting racial slur against brown people. LisaLynne Feb 2013 #40
I am also sick of stupid. aptal Feb 2013 #42
Let me also clarify. aptal Feb 2013 #45
One point, Iranians are not considered Arabs still_one Feb 2013 #72
really a white person has never been oppressed? You heard of the inquisition, the holocaust, the still_one Feb 2013 #71
Racism will never go away, until people recognize all racism thetonka Feb 2013 #79
no comparison: The Chimperor was a giggling mass murderer Whisp Feb 2013 #65
I'm No McCain Fan, But I Don't See It As Racist ChoppinBroccoli Feb 2013 #6
This Republican rep even finds it racist: JaneyVee Feb 2013 #13
No, we called him chimpy cause he was a moron. Equating brown people with monkeys is RACIST. JaneyVee Feb 2013 #10
Ahmadinijad is a moron (who happens to have brown skin). Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #18
I'm not the only one. Social media is all over it. And no one calls someone a monkey b/c of JaneyVee Feb 2013 #21
So why did anyone call Bush a chimp? tkmorris Feb 2013 #25
Because he actually looked like one... all american girl Feb 2013 #67
You contradict yourself. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #26
People called him chimpy because lack of intelligence. They didn't call him monkey. JaneyVee Feb 2013 #39
A: Yes they did, and... tkmorris Feb 2013 #57
Here's where the line is drawn: Comparing monkeys to brown people has a LONG history JaneyVee Feb 2013 #59
Brown people? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #75
Of course they did. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #61
Really, "a lot of people" did? JaneyVee Feb 2013 #62
You're hopeless. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #69
How open-minded, you can't even produce evidence. And announcing an ignore? Guess what... JaneyVee Feb 2013 #70
Agree, but JaneyVee likes the guy or something. aptal Feb 2013 #28
Or something. JaneyVee Feb 2013 #58
Bush got the chimp image for several reasons JHB Feb 2013 #19
EXACTLY. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #36
Ahmadinejad is a Holocaust denier ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2013 #77
he also looked like one at ones NoMoreWarNow Feb 2013 #37
Except, McCain is a United States Senator and should be held to a higher standard ecstatic Feb 2013 #43
this man has zero GETTINGTIRED Feb 2013 #3
He is horrible... Freedomofspeech Feb 2013 #4
Not racist. He said the same thing about Chelsea Clinton. Mass Feb 2013 #7
good fucking grief. that can't possibly be real... pnwest Feb 2013 #8
He has lost any semblance of brains he ever had. Passed time appleannie1 Feb 2013 #9
john mccain would just crash the rocket frylock Feb 2013 #12
+++ Whisp Feb 2013 #68
Way to stir the pot little johnie Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #14
Someone taught him how to "tweet" snooper2 Feb 2013 #16
I blame Meghan. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #20
And he wanted to be president Smilo Feb 2013 #17
Who cares? GeorgeGist Feb 2013 #23
That one's a real diplomat, isn't he? Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #24
I don't know about racist, but I will call it very juvenile Siwsan Feb 2013 #29
Juvenile, but not racist IMHO jberryhill Feb 2013 #30
I wonder if McGramps realizes the 'internets' are global. Such a diplomat. snappyturtle Feb 2013 #31
So someone called a homophobic religious nutbar a name Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #32
Biden is trying to cobble together direct talks with Iran. How is it helpful TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #47
How was it helpful for Ahmadinejad to insult Obama? Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #48
Who gives a crap what that nutjob says? Our elected officials should certainly TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #50
Then why are we seeking serious talks with a nutjob? nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #52
We are exhausting our diplomatic options. If sanctions and international TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #56
John McCain has outlived his usefulness. Zoeisright Feb 2013 #34
Oh, is Ahmadinejad OFFENDED?! Maybe he should DENY the Tweet EVER HAPPENED. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #38
If we don't stop insulting Iran's leaders, they might get mad at us. Leslie Valley Feb 2013 #41
You might be missing the point ecstatic Feb 2013 #44
This man was almost President of the United States. Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #55
It's not racist, just stupid, unhelpful, and unbecoming of a supposed statesman. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #46
+ a lot cali Feb 2013 #66
He has competition from an ex-executive director of the South Carolina GOP MrScorpio Feb 2013 #49
its a joke quinnox Feb 2013 #51
You don't have to have a sense of humor to "get it". JaneyVee Feb 2013 #60
I found it was chuckle worthy quinnox Feb 2013 #63
it's below the dignity of a senator. spanone Feb 2013 #76
Sigh cvsgracht Feb 2013 #53
I think McCain should take advantage of his (mental) health care benefits, paid for by taxpayers. AndyA Feb 2013 #54
An extraordinarily stupid remark from a US Senator. nolabear Feb 2013 #64
Good thing this buffoon didn't win back in '08. BlueStater Feb 2013 #73
not Racist, and Bush and Ahmedinjad Both look like Chimps JI7 Feb 2013 #74
Ahmedinejad has responded Enrique Feb 2013 #78

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. I guess the question is whether this comment is general to dark skin people
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:09 PM
Feb 2013

or specific to that racist, misogynist, homophobic asshole Ahmadinejad. Could go either way I suppose.

Bryant

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
22. Its NEVER ok to compare brown people to monkey's. If you think so then that's your opinion.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:48 PM
Feb 2013

Jeez, even republicans are calling him out on it yet some Liberals here are ok with it? Is this the Twilight Zone?

aptal

(304 posts)
27. Well we will have to agree to disagree.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:56 PM
Feb 2013

We can call a white man whatever we want, but if their skin color is different then it becomes racist?

I just don't think Mccain, as stupid as he is, was being racist.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
33. Here. LEARN something.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:13 PM
Feb 2013

White men have never, ever, EVER been oppressed in the history of the world. Men of color have ALWAYS been oppressed. You cannot be racist against someone who has always had power.

And yes, we can call a white man whatever we want. Skin color makes all the difference. If you don't get that, you are beyond help.

Christ on a crutch, I am SICK of the stupid.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
40. Plus, "monkey" has been used as a particularly disgusting racial slur against brown people.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:38 PM
Feb 2013

McCain is old enough to know that. I really don't see how there can be much doubt here. Calling W "chimp" isn't the same.

aptal

(304 posts)
42. I am also sick of stupid.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:41 PM
Feb 2013

Let me teach you something now.

The Arab slave trade was the practice of slavery in the Arab world, mainly in Western Asia, North Africa, East Africa, and certain parts of Europe (such as Iberia and Sicily) during their period of domination by Arab leaders. The trade was focused on the slave markets of the Middle East, North Africa and the Horn of Africa. People traded were not limited to a certain race, ethnicity, or religion, and included Arabs and Berbers, especially during the trade's early days.

During the 8th and 9th centuries of the Fatimid Caliphate, most of the slaves were Slavic Eastern Europeans (called Saqaliba). However, slaves were drawn from a wide variety of regions and included Mediterranean peoples, Persians, Turkic peoples, peoples from the Caucasus mountain regions (such as Georgia, Armenia and Circassia) and parts of Central Asia and Scandinavia, English, Dutch and Irish, Berbers from North Africa, and various other peoples of varied origins as well as those of African origins. Toward the 18th and 19th centuries, the flow of slaves from East Africa increased with the rise of the Oman sultanate which was based in Zanzibar. They came into direct trade conflict and competition with Portuguese and other Europeans along the Swahili coast.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

White people have been oppressed many many times in history by their own people and other people.

Slavery in early medieval Europe was relatively uncommon and in Western Europe slavery largely disappeared by the later Middle Ages.[1] It was widespread at the end of antiquity. The etymology of the word slave comes from this period, the word sklabos meaning Slav.[2][3] Slavery declined in the Middle Ages in most parts of Europe as serfdom slowly rose, but it never completely disappeared. It persisted longer in Southern and Eastern Europe.[4] In Poland slavery was forbidden in the 15th century; it was replaced by the second enserfment. In Lithuania, slavery was formally abolished in 1588.[5]

Throughout this period slaves were traded openly in most cities, including cities as diverse as Marseilles, Dublin, Verdun and Prague, and many were sold to buyers in the Middle East. The town of Caffa in the Crimea was called the capital of the medieval slave trade, but an overland route to Caliphate of Córdoba took pagan and dualist Slavs from Kiev through Lviv and Prague, at that time the borderlands of Christianity, this arduous land route competing with the North-South route by river which led to the Black Sea.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe

Now, if want to ratiffy your statement and say something like. "I am no historian but in the history that I am aware of, which is only recent American history, there have never been oppressed white men."

See, that would be a correct statement.

aptal

(304 posts)
45. Let me also clarify.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:52 PM
Feb 2013

I think the McCains statement was stupid and unbecoming of a US senator but I don't find it racist.

And I also think that many people try to find racism in the opponents and cause faux outrage.

still_one

(92,273 posts)
71. really a white person has never been oppressed? You heard of the inquisition, the holocaust, the
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:52 PM
Feb 2013

Armenian genocide?

Of course in those cases it was mostly white people oppressing other white people,

Then again I am not sure I would classify Iranians as people of color. Iranians are indo-European. They are not Arabs

In fact if you trace the origins of different ethnicities, we are all related

However, there is no question that African Americans have been the victims of more racism than any other ethnic group

thetonka

(265 posts)
79. Racism will never go away, until people recognize all racism
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:59 PM
Feb 2013

It doesn't matter the color of the skin, racism is racism. Saying you can not be racist against a person with white skin is not only racist, but it supports and justifies racism.

rac·ism
noun \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Definition of RACISM
1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race



If, in your mind, all other races besides the white people can NOT be racist you are assigning a superiority to all other races. You are a racist!
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
65. no comparison: The Chimperor was a giggling mass murderer
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:05 PM
Feb 2013

that paved the way to more riches to the likes of Cheney and Co and didn't get near enough criticism here as far as I'm concerned. We could fill up the universe with a googleplex of notes saying Buck you Fush and it still would not be enough.

wtf?

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
6. I'm No McCain Fan, But I Don't See It As Racist
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:16 PM
Feb 2013

I think it's more a shot at Ahmedinijad's INTELLIGENCE than his skin tone. If you want to hate McCain, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to do so. I just don't see this as one of them.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
10. No, we called him chimpy cause he was a moron. Equating brown people with monkeys is RACIST.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:29 PM
Feb 2013

And has a long history of racism. Especially when you know what the derogatory word for middle-easterners is.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
18. Ahmadinijad is a moron (who happens to have brown skin).
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:40 PM
Feb 2013

That's one towering molehill you found there...

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
21. I'm not the only one. Social media is all over it. And no one calls someone a monkey b/c of
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:45 PM
Feb 2013

intelligence, that's what words like moron, idiot, imbecile are for. Btw, Mahmoud is most likely smarter than John McCain.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
67. Because he actually looked like one...
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:09 PM
Feb 2013

I got to see him many years ago...not that he was the president I wanted to see, but it was an opportunity....I took pictures and he looked like a chimp. My in-laws, die hard republicans, thought so too. He has the facial features.

This country has a horrible history of calling people of color monkeys. The language was used to dehumanize people. So what McCain said was wrong and he needs to be called out on it....here is another thing....did you see one democratic congressperson call Bush a chimp? That answer is NO.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
26. You contradict yourself.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:56 PM
Feb 2013

You stated upthread that W was called a chimp because he's a moron.

So which is it?

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
39. People called him chimpy because lack of intelligence. They didn't call him monkey.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:31 PM
Feb 2013

And like I said up thread, it's NEVER ok to make the comparison.

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
57. A: Yes they did, and...
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:19 PM
Feb 2013

B: That you are trying to draw a line somewhere between "chimp" and "monkey" is just a wee bit ridiculous. You've lost your objectivity in my opinion.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
59. Here's where the line is drawn: Comparing monkeys to brown people has a LONG history
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:34 PM
Feb 2013

of racist connotation.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
75. Brown people?
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:29 PM
Feb 2013

Are you talking natives of Africa, or natives of the Arabic region?

Because seriously, I had no idea that there was a long standing tradition of Arabs being equated with monkeys, chimps or gorillas like Africans have.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
61. Of course they did.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:43 PM
Feb 2013

Leaving aside the matter of whether you're simply making a semantic quibble (yes, I understand the difference between a primate and a monkey...don't bother going there), a lot of people did call W a monkey.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
69. You're hopeless.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:07 PM
Feb 2013

Someone presents a perfectly reasonable assertion and you fatuously compare them to Fox News? Fuck that. Welcome to ignore...I have zero interest in game players.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
19. Bush got the chimp image for several reasons
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:42 PM
Feb 2013

He was famous for his mediocrity in scholarship and in business, and infamous for mangling what was supposed to be his native tongue. In 2000, his most notable achievement was to be elected to the weakest governorship in the union. He insisted everything be boiled down to one-page memos. He kept failing upward thanks to a golden Rolodex. His most notable talent and skill was in schmoozing.

In short, Bush got his simian nickname the hard (on the rest of us) way: he earned it.

Whether McCain's comment about Ahmenajahd was racist, I won't pretend to mind-read but it wasn't necessarily so.

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
36. EXACTLY.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:15 PM
Feb 2013

Calling Bush Chimpy was based on his moronic actions and lack of intellectual curiosity. Why people do not get that is beyond me.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
77. Ahmadinejad is a Holocaust denier
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:33 PM
Feb 2013

I'd certainly say that is moronic and shows a lack of any intellectual curiosity, mainly because it's based in his religious hatred for a group of people.

ecstatic

(32,717 posts)
43. Except, McCain is a United States Senator and should be held to a higher standard
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:41 PM
Feb 2013

We can goof off here, but McShame represents his state and the United States. His tweet was tacky, immature, and not becoming of a long time senator.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
20. I blame Meghan.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:42 PM
Feb 2013

In some ways, I rather like her...but she needs to stop trying to drag her dad out of the stone age. Don't fight battles you can't possibly win, Meghan!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
30. Juvenile, but not racist IMHO
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:00 PM
Feb 2013

We really dodged a bullet by not electing such an offensive man to the presidency.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
32. So someone called a homophobic religious nutbar a name
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:07 PM
Feb 2013

and suddenly that's bad?

Gee, I wonder if anyone ever called a homophobic religious nutbar a name on DU...

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
47. Biden is trying to cobble together direct talks with Iran. How is it helpful
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:57 PM
Feb 2013

for a prominent Senator (who was almost President) to make stupid jokes publicly, in the diplomatic process?

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
48. How was it helpful for Ahmadinejad to insult Obama?
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:02 PM
Feb 2013

Sorry - fuck Ahmadinejad. Unlike many here, the enemy of my enemy isn't my friend.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
50. Who gives a crap what that nutjob says? Our elected officials should certainly
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:06 PM
Feb 2013

not be in the business of trying to be the next Leno or Letterman when there are serious foreign policy problems at stake. They should be above that and conduct themselves accordingly. Anything less is an embarrassment, and possibly detrimental to any future negotiations--which might be what McBombIran intends here, incidentally.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
56. We are exhausting our diplomatic options. If sanctions and international
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:11 PM
Feb 2013

pressure don't work, do you start a war or try one last thing that hasn't been tried?

Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
34. John McCain has outlived his usefulness.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:14 PM
Feb 2013

If he ever was useful, which is doubtful.

I hate that stupid old fucker.

ecstatic

(32,717 posts)
44. You might be missing the point
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:44 PM
Feb 2013

There should be a code of conduct regarding how US senators behave and interact with the world. This really is less about Iran and more about how much of a joke McCain has become.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
55. This man was almost President of the United States.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:11 PM
Feb 2013

Think about that for a second. Not only did he select he most woefully under-qualified VP candidate of all time, but now he's referring to foreign leaders as monkeys. He was also singing about bombing Iran.

This is just pathetic.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
51. its a joke
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:06 PM
Feb 2013

You have to have a sense of humor to get it. I chuckled.

I think there are lots more important things to get "outraged! " about.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
60. You don't have to have a sense of humor to "get it".
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:38 PM
Feb 2013

But someone probably has to have a juvenile sense of humor to find it funny.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
63. I found it was chuckle worthy
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:51 PM
Feb 2013

I didn't find it laugh out loud funny. But one thing I have noticed, some duers seem to be looking for things to get outraged about, and don't appear to have any kind of sense of humor, much less juvenile or any flavor.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
54. I think McCain should take advantage of his (mental) health care benefits, paid for by taxpayers.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:10 PM
Feb 2013

He's losing it.

What a disgrace McCain is.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
64. An extraordinarily stupid remark from a US Senator.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:59 PM
Feb 2013

The fact he doesn't know that is an indicator of something troubling.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
73. Good thing this buffoon didn't win back in '08.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:18 PM
Feb 2013

If that were the case, we'd have the President of the United States calling another world leader a monkey, Talk about dodging a bullet.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
78. Ahmedinejad has responded
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:54 PM
Feb 2013

"oh yeah? Well the jerk store called, and they're running out of John McCain."

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