I love the new music. I like most of Beyonce's stuff. I did not like the production. It was ridiculously over the top.

Some loved it.

Whatever.

Beyonce is an amazing woman. She is probably the hardest working entertainer in America and she sure got to show off last night.

I think she would be crushed if she wasn't be talked about today.

And you can who the prudes are and who isn't by the comments here. Oh well... they have every right to be prudes who wish we were back in the 50's. Maybe they will grow up, soon?

But I thought her performance was great.

not stop picking on her. She is a friend of the president so that alone makes her a target I feel. I also like the Beatles and a lot of the motown music. I also like classical music, some jazz. I am not crazy for the old country music.

woman alive, next to her.

also but only married 34 yrs. I married at the age of 29. Now am old but my husband says he loves me just the way I am. I love him the same. I tell him he needs glasses, LOL. Your right she is beautiful but I think her personality makes her that way even more.

makes her a target."

I suppose that it is a coincidence of the highest order that so many of the president's incessant detractors didn't like her performance...??? That's just one great big hell of a coincidence...?????

wealthy, a mother, a wife and friend to her husband. A beautiful woman of color is enough to make them hate her. Sad but true. The times are a changing. Am a 65 yr old white woman and I see it and if they don't wake up and see the future they will be left behind. The dem motto of "move forward" fits us well.

my personal opinion. There was nothing wrong with her performance. No one was forced to watch it. I am not into the outfits with any of the performers. But everyone knows what kind of outfits she wears. It isn't as if people didn't know when they tuned in. OMG if people don't like the performance turn the damn channel. That is what I do. All I know that I don't want anyone tell me who I should or shouldn't watch. I am willing the bet the Family Center organization already had a letter made up before the performances were on stage.

I am not a prude, but her performance was more reminiscent of the pole dancing at a strip club than anything else, replete with hip thrusts.... She is a beautiful woman, and while many said people were attacking her for her sexuality, I think it somewhat sad that she seems to feel the need to sell to the lowest common denominator. We are all sexy in our own right, I wish she had put on a show that presented her beauty and talent instead of a booty call burlesque.

people have it in for her because she is an Obama supporter. But I have to agree she could have toned it down a bit.

not everything is about *obama*.

living in a delusional world if you don't think that could be possible.

junkie.

i think some of obama's supporters are delusional myself, as they seem to attribute all events to either liking or disliking of obama personally.

For pete's sake, it was just some songs, and a party, with a crowd. Big deal. She didn't hurt anybody.

Everyone is not going to like all the same music. They could just shrug and be happy instead of complaining.

last night.

I was avoiding all of this myself, until just now.

No one has any right to anything that they do not also accord to everyone else, to do so would be a privilege, not a right. Get it? If you want people to shut up, you can't TELL them to shut up. Perhaps the best way to end stuff you don't like seeing here is to just click the little delete box (small box with an x inside it) that follows each thread title that feeds through Latest Threads.

but I think I’ll pass.

everyone it's not a right at all, but is a privilege instead - to be too complicated?

No wonder you're claiming a privilege to have not only your say about whatever, but also the privilege to tell others to stop saying whatever they are saying.

The principles of the RIGHT to free speech are too complicated for you????

Like I said, apparently you have privileges and the rest of us don't have rights in this matter.

Care to tell us how that happened?

into a distraction from economic class issues and the parameters of all of that was pretty well set by the last third of the 19th century, in the legal foundations of incorporation and contract law most of which codifies the disadvantages of lower economic classes; the middle-class evolved out of that situation as the servants of the powers which created it (initially as the landed white males who wrote the Constitution) and politics has evolved in various permutations ever since to distract and turn all but the 1% against themselves in order to further obfuscate how things actually work.

Whether all of that is somekind of Illuminati conspiracy or not is beside the point; THAT's the de facto result of what happened, so I guess you'd say that I see political labels as only relatively useful with that condition attached to them. That's why I think we should be much more concerned about issues, because that directs our attention to what's happening to people and frees us from too much dependence upon less meaningful political cliches.

Does that answer your question?

We had a heated chicken war many years back, as well.

DU is hilarious.

She's got an amazing voice and she's incredibly beautiful.

and must share our thoughts on everything.

She was amazing - I loved that everyone on that stage was female - loved having the Destiny gals back together, the LED technology was fantastic. The leather lace outfits rocked - she is an artist.

You too, you critic.
Your post is indeed a critique of her performance.

what I think of him? Or does your " rights stand” only apply to certain subjects?

Here they are in 1986 at the Superbowl. They look like they are dressed for church.
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This was early Simpsons, when it was good.

The culture I like isn't all exactly popular. But I have to defend artists whose alleged malfunctions, costume or otherwise, are doing hard work to please the public. And I don't give a shit what kind of Prima Donna they are! I am a huge Maria Callas fan boy, she was fairly the definition of Prima Donna.

Plus, maybe nobody is noticing that the day after the alleged most important US football game on the planet, nobody is talking about the game, just the entertainment, the power failure, and above all, the fucking advertisements!!!

When the halftime entertainment and the fucking ads eclipse a national championship, I would suggest that just maybe the game or, more likely, the sport itself is in trouble.

but the game. Which was a great one. I don’t think the things you mention come even remotely close to eclipsing the game. This thing is more popular now than ever...

Love me some YMCA

Unless you can’t get enough of your own opinion.

Just making the point that before the SB nobody was posting about Beyonce, and now it's more popular than guns

Ya think that I’m the only one that does that around here?

telling, likely one poster, to stop attacking her performance!

OKAY whatever.

Old lady here.

considered attacking?

Do you HAVE to "like" it or be considered an old curmudgeon or racist (Ok I probably fit the former, but most certainly not the latter definition.)

I didn't like it.

Her singing is meh, medocre at best because it sounds JUST like every other girl pop singer (were did individuality go? where did TALENT go? Can you saw autotuner??) She's "semi-talented" with a great agent and PR firm and a niche that isn't very demanding of - or knowledgeable of real talent.

I don't think she dances all that well. The choreographer should be shot. It was horrific all the way around. Though most of the "backup dancers" actually DID know how to dance - considering what they were given to work with (the choreography) most did pretty well.

She hasn't "recovered" all that welll, but that really doesn't matter, except that people seem to keep stressing that fact which really isn't true. Granted she recovered "pdw", but with a personal trainer and personal chef and god knows what else, hell,l I could probably look like that, too. Even at MY age! lol... Her costumes were - um - cleverly designed to disguise some of that, but not all that successful, imo. The costumes - again imo - were sexist and demeaning - bondage? Really? I have serious problems with her promoting that. (Think about it.) It wasn't empowering at ALL. Who among the men who watched that thought - WOW, what a powerful successful smart woman she is!! Not one damn one of them. All of her costumes look basically the same anyway - only the color, sequins, feather and fabric changes. (Oh and did you know her costume was copied nearly verbatim from an old Tina Turner one - who - by the way not only looked better in it - legs for days, that one - but could sing and dance circles around this girl at twice her age! And look sexy without looking trashy.)

Her "routine" consisted of the same thing over and over and over and over again. The smoldering "look" the hair toss, the over the shoulder smoldering look with hair toss. And of course the Squat. The Crotch shot. How damn many times does one want to see a crotch shot. If you can actually DANCE, then you don't need to keep squatting to get people to want to watch you.

If you have real talent, you don't have to go for the lowest common denominator to get people's attention.

Like Stephen King says in Danse Macbre - his non-fiction book on the history and mechanics of horror film and writing. . . when all else fails (as in plot, character, and nuance) - go for the gross out.

I thought that show was crass and I was pretty grossed out. That's not "attacking" that's stating my opinion - and quite a few facts, actually.

So call me old. I don't give a damn. I can express my opinion, too.

You sound like an arts critic for a Baptist Newsletter...
I'd hate to read a post from you on something which is important.
Although I must say you are a learned man....

Not a prude.

And the arts ARE important. Operative word being ART.

Music major, voice trumpet, piano,

Three children who are dancers (tho I never danced a lick) one studying to be a professional dancer. One now in TV production.

My 14 yo old African American son, thought the show was a dismal failure. I think his word was "awful". He said I was too kind to the other dancers, but then again with the choreography so bad it was hard to tell if they really could dance or not. He doesn't like her singing-all that much, and he said she definitely isn't a dancer. Merely someone taught the steps to do a dance. A huge difference.

Oh, and I'm a she, not a he. Not that it matters that much.

Tell your daughter that 1 out of a million or even more never will make it close to this level. You don’t get there by being pretty. Believe me I know..... Instead of concentrating on the things you think are bad, look on the positive side... Its much more fun......

Not my daughter. My 14 yo african american son. So definitely not racist. Definitely male. Not impressed with Beyonce at all. Not her singing. Not her so called dancing. Again, being taught the steps to do a dance is NOT the same thing as actually being a DANCER. Huge Huge difference.

Positive side - let's educate people as to what real music is. What real talent looks and sounds like instead of perpetuating this bs lie foisted upon a gullible and uneducated public (in the artistic sense. But then again, since cutting arts from the schools, and the bs Disney crap that passes for talent and the absolutely NO talent that is being touted as AuuuhhhuuummaaaaxZZING! these days....) If people - as in the general public- really knew and understood what real talent was . . . now THAT would be positive. Positively Amazing.

This is much more disturbing to me than anything else we are talking about.....Now your son might not like Beyonce’s style (tremolo,Vibrato etc.), but the girl can sing......Ella is probably the best female Jazz singer ever, most agree... However if you gave directions to Beyonce to sing an old Ella standard in a toned down fashion, she would stand up very well on a high professional level.
Talent is talent and if you don’t like what artist is doing, then thats fine.But you can not judge a performers talent level based on the cultural environment she happens (because of age ) to be part of.

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I doubt very seriously Beyonce could even TOUCH Ella's level - even WITH her autotuner.

Did you stop to think about that half time performance? Remember when she was kneeling and talking into the mike and how breathless she was and could hardly talk? Yet she stood up and danced and sang without one shortness of breath? Things that make you go hmmm.....


She's moderately talented. With some real training and coaching and without they hype and the bs - she might one day become an accomplished singer. But for now, she's a show. A wannabe talent with a good PR agent. And a VERY good sound man. (high professional level. snort. . . sorry - I really don't mean to mock, but really? comparing Beyonce to Ella Fitzgerald? Or anyone with any REAL talent? honestly, it ain't even close. Not on her best day and their worst.

Around the 4 minute mark.... Enjoy talking with you. You obviously have a point of view which is diff. than mine but its fun.

I don't mind differing POV's. Sorry if I've sounded snarky. One gets that way after years on hear and all the trolls and bs.

I don't have time this sec to watch this, because I have to take my life in my hands and try and drive through this blizzard to pick up my 14 yo from dance.... hopefully I'll make it there and back. lol.

Then it'll be dinner and homework, so it may be tomorrow before i have the chance. But I will listen and give my honest opinion. Hey, it may be all I've ever heard of the girl is the "schtick" that sells.

My dad was a teacher and I hated school. Nothing and I mean nothing got me more worked up than an approaching blizzard which might close school. My father would get the call at 5:am. I heard the phone looked outside and I was instantly in a perfect world. Of course as an adult it is beautiful to look at for awhile but then becomes an inconvenience..

Not my cup of tea, but at least she's on pitch. (Most of the time - okay the majority of the time). However, I think her back up singers may actually have more singing talent - she just "looks better".

I didn't like the repetitiveness of the song. I'm not that fond of her "sound" - hard to define - either you like the way someone sounds or you don't. I hated the Joan Baez sounded, too. And Joe Cocker. And some of the other "classic well-beloved singers" (hated Tiny Tim, lol. ) Couldn't stand that Honey dripper shit nor the old Winchester Cathedral, Wreck of Edmund fitzgerald drek. Despise most rap. And just about anything "popular on the radio anymore.(Just give me that old time rock and roll! or real jazz - and no, I didn't like "free jazz". Don't like advant garde either.)

Today's music - imo - has no real musicality. It all sounds the same. Repetitive. Boring. Poor instrumentation. (gawdawful 'lyrics'). Very little real talent involved in either the singing or the majority of the playing. Yes, I sound like an old curmudgeon. . .

One other thing really annoys me at this - she's at a Children's Hospital for gawds sake - why the hell does she have so much cleavage showing? Well, at least she was there. Even if it was probably just a PR stunt. And no, I don't hate her cause she's beautiful - she is. But there is a time and place for everything. And dressing like that for where she was, was inappropriate.

Honestly, I think the hype far outweighs the talent here. Though I think that of nearly every singer on the charts today.

Then why not someone like this:

don’t have much of an attention, span especially on this day. I’m not a fan of this high glitz kind of music, but if I’m a producer of this show, I’m loving it. And yea, I’ll even shake it down a bit. The kind of music you like belongs in a venue with an attentive audience who gets it..

I personally can't stand her music, or most pop music these days. But in the end, it's what's popular to many Americans today. I just don't get the fuss.

I can't stand Beyonce. I don't give a crap if she sang at the superbowl, though. Who would want to live in a world where everybody had the same tastes in everything?

At the end of the day, the superbowl, professional sports, entertainers, they're all a big distraction. Why we take it all so seriously is entirely beyond me.