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marmar

(77,080 posts)
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 09:32 PM Feb 2013

The End of the Post Office as a Public Institution?


from OnTheCommons.org:


The End of the Post Office as a Public Institution?
The Post Office will close half its processing centers this year and end Saturday delivery

| by David Morris


For the post office the end game is on. This year the Post Office will close half its processing centers. By late spring a first class letter will take 1-3 days longer to arrive at its destination. By the end of this summer Saturday delivery is scheduled to end. Over the next year the Post Office plans to close over 3000 local post offices while slashing some 220,000 of the its 650,000 employees.

How did we come to this place? In retrospect, it is easy to distinguish three discrete stages in the 221-year life of the Post Office.

Stage 1: The Post Office Has a Broad Public Mandate

The first stage began in 1792 when President George Washington signed legislation making the United States Post Office a Cabinet level Department. It was a public institution with a clear mandate: to enable universal low cost access to information. In its early years this led it to initiate free and low cost delivery of newspapers and eventually, to offer a special rate for periodicals and books.

The post office helped tie the country together physically as well as intellectually. Post roads were essential to the early development of the country. Rural free delivery established in the late 19th century, spurred improvements in roads and bridges since the post office would not offer service where roads were bad. In the 20th century mail contracts underwrote the embryonic aviation industry. ....................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://onthecommons.org/magazine/end-post-office-public-institution



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The End of the Post Office as a Public Institution? (Original Post) marmar Feb 2013 OP
That's what the Republicans think they want Warpy Feb 2013 #1
i doubt congress will suffer. it's the ordinary people who think this is great who haven't thought HiPointDem Feb 2013 #6
How much will Fedex charge to deliver a letter after USPS is closed? NightWatcher Feb 2013 #2
i read it's $8-something currently. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #4
The Constitution matters until it interferes with privatization plans. nt onehandle Feb 2013 #3
+1. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #5
Tragicomically true. marmar Feb 2013 #7
How would this violate the Constitution? Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #10
The Post Office is a Constitutional requirement. onehandle Feb 2013 #11
The Constitution says that Congress has the power to establish post offices Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #12
It also doesn't say that Congress can't delegate the power. badtoworse Feb 2013 #17
I wonder how many businesses could withstand zbdent Feb 2013 #8
very sad. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #9
Cause "De-Regulation" and Privitization Works So Well... KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #13
The times they are a changin' Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #14
Freddie Stubbs, you seem to be somewhat hostile toward the USPS. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #16
He is correct. Paper, as a means of communicating information, is becoming obsolete. badtoworse Feb 2013 #19
The year the USPS handled its largest volume of mail was 2006. Brickbat Feb 2013 #20
What difference does that make? badtoworse Feb 2013 #21
The digital and wireless technologies were humming along quite well in 2006, and still the USPS was Brickbat Feb 2013 #22
So, despite increasing population, mail volume last year was less than it was in 2006? Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #24
Your inference is incorrect Freddie Stubbs Feb 2013 #23
I'm sorry I misunderstood. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #25
it's the destruction of the commons, silly datasuspect Feb 2013 #15
du rec. nt xchrom Feb 2013 #18

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
1. That's what the Republicans think they want
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 09:34 PM
Feb 2013

but we'll see what happens when their franking privileges (free mail) goes away with the USPS.

They haven't thought this one through, either, just like they are never capable of thinking anything through.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
6. i doubt congress will suffer. it's the ordinary people who think this is great who haven't thought
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 09:39 PM
Feb 2013

it through.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
2. How much will Fedex charge to deliver a letter after USPS is closed?
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 09:35 PM
Feb 2013

I'm guessing a shitload more than .47$

Has anyone tied UPS or FEDEX to the effort to kill the USPS?

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
11. The Post Office is a Constitutional requirement.
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:24 PM
Feb 2013

The GOP uses the Constitution as toilet paper except when them misinterpret it for gun nuts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Clause

Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
12. The Constitution says that Congress has the power to establish post offices
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:40 AM
Feb 2013

Nowhere does it say that Congress must establish post offices. And it certainly doesn't mandate Saturday delivery.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
8. I wonder how many businesses could withstand
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 09:40 PM
Feb 2013

having to guarantee 75 years of profits before they could open their doors? (Probably only drug dealers ...)

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
13. Cause "De-Regulation" and Privitization Works So Well...
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:51 AM
Feb 2013

In the 80s the airlines were deregulated...the unions busted and our air transportation system has "never been better" . Numerous sales and mergers that drove the buyers into huge debts along with top heavy management has led to the stripped down and barely functional air system. It's also meant that many smaller towns that once had service no longer did cause they just weren't "profitable enough".

In the 90s it was the "public airwaves" that got the treatment. Once again large corporates bought everything in sight to dominate the industry and proceded to bankrupt themselves in the process. Small and now medium and major markets have lost local service...replaced by satellited clap trap. Many times when there's bad weather or a serious news story the local media is non-existent and whatever is available is unreliable.

Now the sites are set on the USPS...a long time target of the rushpublicans. They see the service as "loafers"...a bloated government welfare program that hires lots of minorities and are "infected" with unions. Unfortunately they're well on their way of "regulating" the USPS into bankruptcy...then to set up another "privatization" failure...

Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
14. The times they are a changin'
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:58 AM
Feb 2013

The post office needs to change with the times. It has done it before and it can do it again.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
16. Freddie Stubbs, you seem to be somewhat hostile toward the USPS.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:08 AM
Feb 2013

Would you be willing to explain why? Thank you.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
19. He is correct. Paper, as a means of communicating information, is becoming obsolete.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:17 AM
Feb 2013

We are not going to need the huge letter handling capacity that we had prior to digital / wireless technology. Given that, the Post Office will need to change. In my opinion, its role will be pretty much limited to delivering packages.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
20. The year the USPS handled its largest volume of mail was 2006.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:19 AM
Feb 2013

The same year Congress said it had to fund the health-care of employees who hadn't been born yet.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
21. What difference does that make?
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:26 AM
Feb 2013

The point is that digital / wireless technology is the way of the future. Vinyl records, film and broadcast analog TV became obsolete because of it. Do you think paper will be an exception?

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
22. The digital and wireless technologies were humming along quite well in 2006, and still the USPS was
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:15 AM
Feb 2013

thriving. Not only was it thriving, it was booming. Technologies change, I understand that. But not as quickly as people seem to think.

Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
23. Your inference is incorrect
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:38 PM
Feb 2013

I want it to change so that it stays viable. It seems that there are a lot of people who seem to equate change with doom. The USPS has changed in the past (going from twice-a-day delivery to once-a-day) and it must continue to do so in order to survive.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
25. I'm sorry I misunderstood.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:10 PM
Feb 2013

Thanks for the clarification. I agree that the postal service has to change with the times to stay viable - no disagreement there. I think perhaps I'm a little oversensitive to criticism of the USPS, which is odd because I have no direct connection to it. In fact, I don't even use it all that much. I guess I'm just defensive because I see how badly the Republicans want to destroy it so they can privatize mail delivery and to me that is despicable. Thanks again.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
15. it's the destruction of the commons, silly
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:02 AM
Feb 2013

plus i truly believe that rw'ers think the local post office can be converted to a FEMA processing center overnight when the FEMA concetration camps go live.

i don't believe that, but i can see a paranoid rw mind being incensed at having a federal government office right there in their VERY MIDST!!!!111111

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