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Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:56 PM Feb 2013

Thought Experiment, instead of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars we had only used drone strikes


What if, instead of a military response, the U.S. had responded with an attitude more similar to police actions? Targeting specific individuals and using deadly force to eliminate them.


Would we still be outraged by the drone strikes?


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Thought Experiment, instead of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars we had only used drone strikes (Original Post) Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 OP
Remind me what the Iraq war was about... jberryhill Feb 2013 #1
I think there would be less outrage, and it would be harder to get the word out about how bad drones DireStrike Feb 2013 #2
Less blood lost, less treasure lost, less collateral damage. JaneyVee Feb 2013 #3
Well, if we hadn't invaded Iraq, the economy would be stronger. randome Feb 2013 #4
Get back to me when... loose wheel Feb 2013 #5
What, relying on locals to provide all of your intelligence? Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #6
Thought experiment nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #7
Saddam or at least the Bath party would still be in power. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #8
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. Remind me what the Iraq war was about...
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:04 PM
Feb 2013

Prior to Bush, we had been engaged in low intensity warfare to keep the no fly zones in Iraq, and nobody was too excited about it.

We had cruise missiles for a long time, and it was the use of those for specific targets which Bush believed was not dramatic enough.

DireStrike

(6,452 posts)
2. I think there would be less outrage, and it would be harder to get the word out about how bad drones
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:05 PM
Feb 2013

actually are.

It would be tough to argue against "but they kept our troops out of danger!"

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. Well, if we hadn't invaded Iraq, the economy would be stronger.
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:10 PM
Feb 2013

People wouldn't be as angry and looking to vent as they are today. So no.

 

loose wheel

(112 posts)
5. Get back to me when...
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:13 PM
Feb 2013

Get back to me when I can send in drones to arrest every left-handed red head in a ten city block square area. Oh, and I happen to not want to just smash the whole thing or kill the objective, which is my only real choice with drones, which won't exactly do wonders for keeping collateral damage low.

Drones have advantages and disadvantages just like any other tool in the national security box. They can't tell for example, that the house you've been watching that is now swarming with activity is a wedding in progress and not a terrorist meeting.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
6. What, relying on locals to provide all of your intelligence?
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:18 PM
Feb 2013

And then using that intelligence to make "targeted" strikes?

I can't think of anything LESS effective. You can't achieve ANY kind of progress unless you've got boots AND brains on the ground. Interacting and gaining trust of locals is essential.

Using "death from the sky" techniques on a terrified population would increase Al Qaeda and Taliban membership EXPONENTIALLY.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
7. Thought experiment
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:19 PM
Feb 2013

What if SecDef did not issue the stand down order at Tora Bora and US Special Forces instead finished the job instead of watching the ISI fly out OBL and his henchmen?

Nah, there would not have been a war in Iraq and the short intervention in Afghanistan would have come to an end.

Wait, you mean KBR, Chenney's last employer, would not have made a killing?

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
8. Saddam or at least the Bath party would still be in power.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:36 AM
Feb 2013

Targeted attacks would not destroy the iraqi military, nor would it have changed much in Afghanistan. We could not have brought down national governments with drones. Our policy of targeted killings is like Israel's, and it has not affected much there except to exacerbate the problem.

Are we outraged by Israel's targeted killings? Yes. Using them in a decade long series of assassinations that killed a lot of number 3's, some number 2's, and an occasional number 1's would not enamor drone strikes.

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