There is evidence that we are purposely attacking jirgas in Waziristan, this would pretty much fit the bill.

I'm off to read the article. There's also tons of very informative material here:

http://livingunderdrones.org/

I'd advise anyone to read the whole report. It's 180 pages, but very revealing. And there's no other source that systematically gives voice to the victims of this campaign (no, the victims aren't all militants).

Double Dip and Signature Strike attacks are not "surgical warfare". What they really are is best described by an anecdote from the First World War.

Crown Prince Rupprecht von Bayern once asked Ludendorff: "What are the oprational goals behind this offensive?"

To which Ludendorff answered: "We'll punch a hole in there. The rest will find itself"

Great men of peace in the past also have been killed without drones.
MLK
RFK
JFK
Allard Lowenstein
20 million people in the Holocaust

had there been a drone to get rid of the people responsible for the deaths of the above, two weeks prior to any of them doing what they did, the world would have been a more peaceful place.

Drones weren't the reason for htis persons death.
His wanting peace was the reason.

the analogy above is backward.

A better analogy would be the asssassination of Y.Rabin in Israel by a fellow Israeli who did not want peace and achieved his political goal when he asssasssinated Rabin.
And he did so without a drone.

it really is quite simple.

Those against President Obama having the power (in the constituition) to use against bad people, are making a false analogy.

IMHO.


Long as there are bad people in the world, bad will happen.
A good person won't intentionally abuse something a bad person might.
But no law will stop a bad person from doing it.
Whereas quite possibly a good person will be able to stop a bad person from doing it before it happens.

Only when the world is perfect, will bad people cease to exist.
That will never happen.

didn't happen in the Dinosaur age, won't happen in the centuries ahead.
Because people aren't perfect. Neither are dinosaurs.

As Frank Sinatra sang "That's life".
"You're riding high in April. Shot down in May".(c)Dean Kay and Kelly Gordon

What a wonderful world it would be, if indeed 100% of all bad people were not in it, right?
But who would decide who is good and who is bad?
And how would one remove the bad people?

Until that time, I trust President Obama with the power, and know that a bad president doesn't need no stinking laws either way to do stinking bad things.

IMHO.


rest in peace to the cleric and to everyone who is part of the collateral damage.
but remember, in war, in other methods, far more people would die, and this cleric still would have been asssassinated, just by a different method, along with far, far more people, regardless of whether or not the US was involved.

Does one think terrorism only exists because of the USA?
Some who believe, could say Judas was a terrorist.
And he didn't use a drone to kill Jesus.

and McCarthy didn't use drones to kill the hopes and dreams of millions wrongly persecuted.
And Hitler didn't use drones to kill 20 million.

yet all the worlds problems are because of our current President???????

Partly this is due to the format and that you can't compose a cogent sentence. Partly it's because so much of what you pen is just nonsense. Seriously, what the hell does Al Lowenstein's death at the hands of a mentally ill killer have to do with ANYTHING in the article? Answer: Not a thing. Zip, Nada, zero. Same goes for MLK, RFK, JFK and the victims of the Holocaust. Jaysus, son.


And of course, you had to throw in the idiotic and totally false charge that I said or insinuated that "all the worlds problems are because of our current President"

As my dear departed would have said in disgust: "Phaw".

the cleric wanting peace is akin Allard Lowenstein who worked for peace.
One of the true greats of the 60s.

Drones are a good thing or a bad thing

depends on who is using them, and who gets hit with one.

and sorry I don't fit in with the sterotype.

A drone on Hitler two weeks prior to his handing out his methods to the first person arrested or killed back then, would have saved 20 million lives.
Lives Hitler took, without one drone.
(and I am Jewish and guns wouldn't have saved Jews, but one well placed drone would have plus all the 14 million others who weren't Jewish).

IMHO
one dead Hitler and possibly handful of collateral from one drone would saved 20 million
and the same collateral because no one stopped Hitler prior to his doing what he did.

or to paraphrase the Supremes
stop, the life you save may be your own (you being generic, not meaning any individual poster or otherwise).

Drones are just a modern tusk of one dinosaur against another.

And all this ridiculous nonsense about having had drones back in the day is such shabby "thinking".

Gee, if only we'd had drones back in the days of Christ we could have taken out Pilate.

Do you know what the meaning of the word anachronistic is?

I met Al a number of times in the 60s 70s.
I was/am a big fan of both Al and Harry Chapin,
having seen Harry at least 25 times,including a few charity events at his house, and including my first actual date with my now wife in the mid 70s.

Too bad Al was killed(by a gun and a bullet), too bad Harry died.Both could be in high office by now. One might say Al was the forerunner of Wellstone.(and both were good Democratic people).

now, I am not speaking for him, just a hunch-
And If I had to bet, being that he was friends with all the Kennedy's, he would be side by side with President Obama as he was with Dr. King and Bobby Kennedy.

And yes, I know he was leading the charge against LBJ running again.
But I don't have to be a fan of 100% of what someone did.
In retrospect,IMHO, better to not have taken LBJ down, and let LBJ beat Nixon.
It wasn't like Eugene McCarthy was going to win and most likely HHH would have been the nominee even if Bobby wasn't killed(with a gun and bullet).LBJ wasn't perfect, however,
he was better than Nixon.And Bobby could have won in 1972 and 1976, followed by Teddy in 1980 and 1984, (and later JFK jr....etc.)but you can't go back.

Ironic that Harry Chapin, Al Lowenstein, John Lennon all died so close to each other.
Three people who cared about the world all violently or horribly taken.
Ironic too that all 3 were people persons. And because of who they were, none led a gated life and none had security bodyguards that could have prevented their different deaths.
(Had Harry had a chauffer(or only taken a Taxi), had John made them open/close the gates with the limo going inside and not walked among the people.

(Had a drone droped on the asswipe that killed John Lennon in some secluded place.
Too bad there wasn't 2013 survellance in that time, and a phone call might have been picked up by that asswipe that he was coming to NY with a gun in his pocket, and had been stopped before he got there.)(how did he get the gun into NY? It's not like one can drive from Hawaii to NY).
as Harry Chapin sang, in tribute words/music(c)Harry Chapin and if not mistaken, this was a tribute to Al Lowenstein, and the whole singer/protest movement in the 1960s.

Remember when the music
Came from wooden boxes strung with silver wire
And as we sang the words, it would set our minds on fire,
For we believed in things, and so we'd sing.

Remember when the music
Brought us all together to stand inside the rain
And as we'd join our hands, we'd meet in the refrain,
For we had dreams to live, we had hopes to give.

Remember when the music
Was the best of what we dreamed of for our children's time
And as we sang we worked, for time was just a line,
It was a gift we saved, a gift the future gave.

Remember when the music
Was a rock that we could cling to so we'd not despair,
And as we sang we knew we'd hear an echo fill the air
We'd be smiling then, we would smile again.

Oh all the times I've listened, and all the times I've heard
All the melodies I'm missing, and all the magic words,
And all those potent voices, and the choices we had then,
How I'd love to find we had that kind of choice again.

Remember when the music
Was a glow on the horizon of every newborn day
And as we sang, the sun came up to chase the dark away,
And life was good, for we knew we could.

Remember when the music
Brought the night across the valley as the day went down
And as we'd hum the melody, we'd be safe inside the sound,
And so we'd sleep, we had dreams to keep.

And I feel that something's coming, and it's not just in the wind.
It's more than just tomorrow, it's more than where we've been,
It offers me a promise, it's telling me "Begin",
I know we're needing something worth believing in.

Remember when the music
Came from wooden boxes strung with silver wire
And as we sang the words, it would set our minds on fire,
For we believed in things, and so we'd sing.


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Til China has its drones patroling American skies, looking for their enemies. Or are we the only country allowed to violate the sovereignty of other nations. Also, lets face it; we aren't using drones because we wanna take out terrorists. We are using drones because one of the ruling class's corporations manufactures them. Its the President's job to make sure that the tax payers order plenty more to create more terrorists by making America look like weak pussies. When the drones fly over your own head, you may think twice about supporting unconstitutional executions of citizens...

I'm sure this was considered a big success by the "Drone Warriors." After all, they managed to take out two Al Qaeda types. The fact two of our friends and allies were also killed would not likely have detracted from the hand-slapping self congratulation party if, indeed, that was even known.

When you take upon yourself the right to kill without warning or trial those whom you consider your enemies, then it's easy to make the next step and accept any number of innocents also dying in the same process:

"Of course it's a shame those thirty non Al Qaeda wedding guests had to die, but hey! We got that bad guy."

hating the troops." Clearly, someone already decided to take care of that!

K&R.

After all, he might have been anti-Al Qaeda like you say, but he could always change his mind. If he was still anti-Al Qaeda when he died, then he died with a clean soul through our help, and his family should thank us.

We're fighting a world full of terrorists, citizen. Like the Communists before them, they're everywhere and multiplying in every corner of the world. Let the President do his work and let God sort them out.