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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe first few shots were probably justified.
I expect a vigorous insanity defense.
LITTLE FALLS, Minn. A Little Falls teenager who was killed after he broke into a home on Thanksgiving Day had burglarized the same property twice in the months before he was shot, according to court documents.
Nick Brady, 17, and his cousin, Haile Kifer, 18, were killed last November as they broke into Byron Smith's home. Smith, 64, is charged in their deaths. He's accused of shooting the teens multiple times continuing to shoot them as they lay dying and leaving their bodies in his house for a day before authorities were notified.
Court documents filed this week show Brady had previously broken into Smith's house and into his garage, stealing cash, a video recorder and a chain saw. The details were revealed in juvenile petitions filed against Brady's 17-year-old friend, who is charged with aiding and abetting the burglaries.
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2naSalit
(86,612 posts)two thieves had been there before and were inside the house... So this is going to be one of those WTF cases where the NRA crowd will say that even this guy trying to protect his home and property from recurring and potentially more aggressive thievery gets the shaft from the gov't while protecting his rights... right? Where I live, anyone shot inside my home who was not invited and had previously violated my home, it wouldn't be much of a case for the prosecutor... even if it's the judge's, mayor's or governor's kids. They were stealing drugs, may be taking them too and they were surely making a habit of stealing from elders. This shouldn't be much of a trial situation and the only reason it shold get publicity is because this sort of event is becoming a trend.
Robb
(39,665 posts)I hope not.
2naSalit
(86,612 posts)What I was saying is that he had the right to shoot them. What happened after that could be explained in a number of ways, perhaps insanity or some form of trauma caused by everything prior to the extra bullets and extra time between the incident and calling authorities. Maybe he was freaked out about it all and given that nothing happened to the perps in prior break-ins (by the same people) you gotta wonder what he was trying to deal with after the fact.
The trend I was identifying is the break-ins by young white kids looking for whatever they can make cash from and/or something to get a buzz from, and usually it's elderly who are targeted, shooting them is what we are likely to see more often in the future I'd imagine.
If I had to defend myself in that manner, I don't know when I would be letting go of the trigger, and I would not be living there any longer afterward than absolutely necessary to get moved. Just MO.
Robb
(39,665 posts)Pulling it over and over to put additional bullets into dead and dying people is not the action of a sane person. Neither is waiting a day to call the police, while the bodies rot on your floor.
These kids were no angels, but the shooter was a madman.
2naSalit
(86,612 posts)when would I stop shooting-actually taking my finger off the trigger regardless of who many times it had to squeeze? Probably when they stopped moving. And I will repeat, what he already experienced from these individuals was enough to make one wonder how much the trauma of it happening yet again would have affected him and his decision-making abilities. I think you make a lot of assumptions without knowing the whole story and who this person actually is and what might have been going through his mind when all that went down. And maybe, just maybe, there is a reason that would be considered by many to justly explain his actions. Having been through this a number of times and nothing was done to stop repetition, what would you have done, really? Frustrated, feeling ultimately vulnerable because nothing was done to stop these kids from violating his home, angry... I could see how this happened but it's not the scenario I think was the most correct.
I am not advocating for the guy but given what is stated in the article, I could see some of it being not totally insane, anger and fear do unusual things to one's rationale and it is not for armchair judge/jury types to make that call, unless you're asked to serve on the jury.
Robb
(39,665 posts)A ruling which in many states bars people from owning firearms.
phishing for a semantics argument or just looking for a discussion?
i said what I think about it and I don't see where there's room for any more discussion about it. You have your perspective and I have offered mine. We are not going to settle the case on this thread so...
Whatever.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)I find it really sad.
EastKYLiberal
(429 posts)is not a major concern of mine.
But what happened in this case is beyond disgusting and the homeowner should face charges.
pengillian101
(2,351 posts)LITTLE FALLS, Minn. After a central Minnesota man repeatedly shot a teen who entered his home, he dragged the boy's bloodied body into a basement workshop, authorities say, sat down and waited.
When another teen began descending the stairway minutes later, Byron Smith fired again. The girl tumbled down the stairs and he shot her some more, including what he allegedly called "a good, clean finishing shot" into her head as she gasped for air, according to a criminal complaint.
http://www.startribune.com/nation/255098731.html