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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere Must Be Notification, Judicial and Congressional Oversight, and an Imminent Threat
for a drone strike on anyone. A president must make the potential target aware of the fact that they are a threat to the U.S., and give the target a chance to submit themselves to U.S. authority for adjudication. This is consistent with our constitutional norms. If anyone, American or not, refuses to turn themselves in and continues to commit acts of terror, then they may be targeted for a drone attack.
No one on DU nor any other Liberal website that I know had any problem with Clinton using cruise missiles to kill Usama Bin Laden nor did anyone have any problem with sending in forces to kill Usama in the hills of Tora Bora. Anyone posting now that has a problem with killing known terrorists with a drone is being dishonest and using this issue to spew hatred toward the president.
There should be restraints on this power, but the policy itself has strong support from the American people.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Would you consider a person on notice if it was generally announced "If you do X (where X is reasonably specific), you will be a target".
It would seem under that circumstance that one has notice that engaging in X will result in targeting.
I'd also suggest an "or" between judicial and congressional, since in the general rock-paper-scissors game of the Constitution, any two can over-ride any one.
On "imminent threat" would you include past acts in combination with a more general course of conduct - i.e. the person is known to have committed act X, and is currently planning act Y, such that it can be inferred that absent intervention, the plan to commit act Y will likely occur?
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)and if you join that group, American or not, you should consider that notice that you are a target. That's one example.
Yes.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I don't know if it is like the Rotary Club.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)EastKYLiberal
(429 posts)It would be a good day for America.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)otherwise, right on!
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)for the military.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)please click the link:
http://www.bing.com/search?q=pruit+igoe+spraying&go=&qs=bs&form=QBLH
And this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2323837
And this:
http://occupyobservations.blogspot.com/2012/01/oakland-officials-caught-in-lies-about.html
Drone attacks in five countries with whom we are not at war have resulted in the deaths of over 100 children.
The NDAA, twice-signed, allows for the indefinite detention of US citizens without trial or representation. FISA has been put into action for another 5 years. DHS are militarizing police departments and are requesting a CISPA 2.0.
The NDAA Legalizes The Use Of Propaganda On The US Public
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525089
"Something is terribly wrong with this country." -V for Vendetta
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)his father about a week before??
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)He wasn't exactly hanging out at the mall chasing tail or going to the sock hop of Friday night. Get real.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)but it's ok now. These silly concerns shall pass too..
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)No one on DU had any problem with Clinton's missile strikes because....
Anyone?
Melinda
(5,465 posts)know President Obama now. I am far from new to political machinations and 'The Art of War'; I have no doubts as to what makes this planet spin round, and the "memo" is in keeping with geopolitical power. My liberal enthusiasms died a long time ago. Faded and jaded, that's me.
Liberals/Progressives, where is the humanity in any of this?
I still scream. It's just that no one hears me anymore.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Of all the fail in this OP, this is the most offensive: "No one on DU nor any other Liberal website that I know had any problem with Clinton using cruise missiles to kill Usama Bin Laden"
Seriously, WTF, many of us did and do and have been very vocal about that over the years.
DU wasn't even around back then but you pretend to mind read. The lengths some of you are going to to justify the unjustifiable is mind-boggling.
I trust you'll have no problems when countries choose to forcefully, even violently, retaliate against the terror we rain from their skies and call it fighting terrorism. Especially considering how many "known terrorists" are running loose in our country.
Of all the dishonest, offensive OPs over the last two days, this one takes the cake. Congratulations.
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)Show me the links to DUers who complained about Clinton's use of missiles to get Bin Laden. There may have been a small number, but the majority of the DU community had no problems with it nor did any other Liberal that I know. Most of them went on show after show citing these missile attacks as proof that Clinton was tough on terror.
Dishonest? Hardly. Fail my ass.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I don't think DU even existed during the Clinton administration, but there were people who objected to Clinton's various use of force. This was highlighted after he bombed an aspirin factory. (And you will note he DIDN'T kill Bin Laden).
As for Tora Bora, we didn't find him there, we CHASED him there. That was during an active war, in a war zone, inside a country with which we were at war. They were shooting back and were in military facilities built to fight from.
That in no way describes much of what is happening now.
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)And when conservatives blamed Clinton for 9/11 and called him soft on terror, many DUers on this board and Liberals every where cited Clinton's missile attacks as proof that Clinton was tough on terror.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)At the time, there was opposition to what he did. I wouldn't take much meaning out of the fact that 6 years later, when people were resurrecting those acts in the context of 9/11. One can't really expect them to reappear to re-criticize those acts again.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)And thank you, Yavin4, for saying this.
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)It's very much appreciated.