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apples and oranges

(1,451 posts)
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:10 PM Feb 2013

The question should be: In this technological age, is collateral damage during war still acceptable?

I think I know why so many democrats are struggling with the drone warfare issue. Most of us are probably anti-war, but once it happens, we have different schemas in our minds regarding what should be allowed in wartime vs peacetime. For example, if you ask most democrats if it's acceptable for law enforcement officers to engage in high speed chases, firing into crowds, or breaking into the wrong homes and "accidentally" killing innocent homeowners, most would say no to all three. Because most of us don't think that innocent people should die when law enforcement officers are pursuing suspects. By that logic, the concept of drone warfare is reprehensible as well.

It gets kind of iffy when discussing drone use in wartime. I think the question should really be: Now that we've made so many advances in technology, is it still acceptable to have large numbers of civilian casualties during war? If the answer is no, then that means our military would need to lose the weapons and transition into a spy and assassin based agency that will maintain incredible accuracy in detaining and/or killing threats. Am I off base here?

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The question should be: In this technological age, is collateral damage during war still acceptable? (Original Post) apples and oranges Feb 2013 OP
Since we're not 'at war,' it's hard to say leftstreet Feb 2013 #1
It's more unavoidable than acceptable. MineralMan Feb 2013 #2
Yes, indeed. cloudbase Feb 2013 #4
No, that is NOT "what the question should be." This is a BOGUS "war," designed to last FOREVER. WinkyDink Feb 2013 #3
Certainly a good quesiton, but it isn't THE question. There are more than one key questions right Lionessa Feb 2013 #5
There is no escaping civilian casualties.... Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #6

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
1. Since we're not 'at war,' it's hard to say
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:14 PM
Feb 2013

The US and its allies are occupying countries, not 'at war' with them

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
2. It's more unavoidable than acceptable.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:16 PM
Feb 2013

There is no way to prevent collateral damage without ending hostilities. War sucks.

cloudbase

(5,514 posts)
4. Yes, indeed.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:22 PM
Feb 2013

The drones are about as accurate as we can be under the present circumstances, and collateral damage is minimal compared to other weapons systems available.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
5. Certainly a good quesiton, but it isn't THE question. There are more than one key questions right
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:24 PM
Feb 2013

right now.

NDAA
Drones
Oversight
Gitmo
Mercenaries
Overseas Bases
Continuing contractor fraud, overruns, wasted projects.

I'm sure there's more but the point is that our entire defense (though usually used offensively these day) system, it's cost in lives and treasure, and it's efficacy,... are we safer or have we been safer due to our "defensive" operations. There is no ONE area that's really more important in this arena, imo.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
6. There is no escaping civilian casualties....
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:26 PM
Feb 2013

There is a long history of warring factions using civilians as 'cover' as well as targets.

For a good part of WW II the US refused to bomb cities in Germany...they changed their mines and joined in the bombing of Dresden to produce a firestorm with horrific results. They had absolutely no such compunction when it came to Japan and as soon as our forces were close enough, they began fire bombing Japanese cities.... Contrary to what the American people were told, it was not necessary to drop the 2 atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That was a case of using advanced technology against civilians to produce the maximum number of casualties and the resultant terror. I suspect that the use of drones is pretty much the same thing...a terror tactic, used by a bully nation with little real concern for the consequences.

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