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Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:37 PM Feb 2013

Brennan is referring to torture as "mistakes" we (CIA) made.

Isn't that nice? Not torture we committed. Not war crimes we committed. Not federal crimes we committed. Not crimes against humanity we committed - mistakes.

Because, you know, everyone makes mistakes.


I'm watching the hearing on Brennan's confirmation.


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/07/watch-live-brennans-confirmation-hearing/


ETA: Oh, now he's speaking on learning from our mistakes...because no one knew torture was illegal before now. No one knew torture was wrong before now. No one knew torture violated both federal and international law before now.

But we know now! Yay, us!




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Brennan is referring to torture as "mistakes" we (CIA) made. (Original Post) Solly Mack Feb 2013 OP
Give The Guy A Break As He Was Employed Then Under The Bush/Cheney Administration.... global1 Feb 2013 #1
Give him a break? For being too cowardly to call torture torture? Solly Mack Feb 2013 #2
A break like don't jail him, or a break like make him CIA head? cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #3
I watched it as well Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #10
NPR refused to use the word, describing torture as "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" ... Octafish Feb 2013 #4
Because the US is busy pretending the government didn't commit war crimes. Solly Mack Feb 2013 #5
During Vietnam, my friends' big brothers turned us on to Steppenwolf... Octafish Feb 2013 #18
Or 1942 kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #12
Seems like somebody or another brought that point up in Nuremberg. Octafish Feb 2013 #19
So technically it was worse than a clerical error jsr Feb 2013 #6
Technically. I make mistakes all the time. Solly Mack Feb 2013 #8
Mistakes were made... TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #7
Exactly the same. Solly Mack Feb 2013 #9
The skunk doesn't change his stripes kenny blankenship Feb 2013 #11
+1 forestpath Feb 2013 #13
He claims to have had "concerns" over "enhanced interrogation techniques". Solly Mack Feb 2013 #17
I am really not in favor of this appointment. n/t Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #14
I'm not either. He'll be confirmed though. Solly Mack Feb 2013 #15
Great...now the committee is making water-boarding jokes. Solly Mack Feb 2013 #16
How is he not in front of the ICC? What is this chilling charade? n/t Catherina Feb 2013 #20
The United States is not a participant. Solly Mack Feb 2013 #21
The ICC should pick them up wherever the are Catherina Feb 2013 #22
I am also tormented by it. Solly Mack Feb 2013 #23
He sure was "weak" in his answer about Waterboarding as Torture! KoKo Feb 2013 #24
Thank you for adding that! Solly Mack Feb 2013 #25

global1

(25,248 posts)
1. Give The Guy A Break As He Was Employed Then Under The Bush/Cheney Administration....
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:07 PM
Feb 2013

he said he didn't agree and would not use these techniques if confirmed. I must say I've been watching the proceedings and am impressed with his knowledge and responses. He appears to be well spoken and not intimidated by these Senators that are grilling him. I feel very comfortable with him representing this administration in this position.

 

Floyd_Gondolli

(1,277 posts)
10. I watched it as well
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:16 PM
Feb 2013

And have been somewhat impressed. It's interesting to hear him speak and compare that with what I've read on DU the last few days which basically has him being a cross between Idi Amin and Vlad the Impaler.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
4. NPR refused to use the word, describing torture as "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" ...
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:10 PM
Feb 2013

Straight out of 1984, Baby.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
5. Because the US is busy pretending the government didn't commit war crimes.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:11 PM
Feb 2013

And they have a lot of enablers toward that aim.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. During Vietnam, my friends' big brothers turned us on to Steppenwolf...
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:46 PM
Feb 2013


Going by the way Washington works, it seems the same Monster is running the show.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
19. Seems like somebody or another brought that point up in Nuremberg.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:50 PM
Feb 2013

But, the point is never mentioned anymore by Corporate McPravda.



Something else the press dares not mention:



America's Descent Into Darkness

Slouching Towards Nuremberg?

by MORRIS BERMAN
CounterPunch
July 25, 2012

Strange things are happening in the United States these days, and every day seems to bring additional scary news. The similarity to the erosion of civil liberties in Germany during the 1930s is a bit too close for comfort. Many will regard this statement as hyperbole, and, to some extent, it is. But let’s take a close look at what is going on before we dismiss the comparison out of hand.

SNIP...

It is no accident that Chris Hedges entitled a recent article “First They Come for the Muslims” (see below, Item IV). God forbid something like that might happen in the U.S., but the signs of a gradual slide towards Nuremberg, and concomitant citizen apathy, are very much present in the current political milieu. Let’s have a look at what has been going on in the decade since 9/11. I’m going to discuss the following topics:

I. The creation of a political climate in which the police are out of control, arbitrarily free to intimidate anyone for virtually anything

II. The persecution of whistleblowers, protesters, and dissenters

III. The dramatic expansion of the surveillance of American citizens on the part of the National Security Agency (NSA)

IV. The corruption of the judicial system by means of show trials of Muslim activists

V. The construction of political detention centers, also known as Communication Management Units (CMU’s)

VI. The shredding of the Bill of Rights by means of the National Defense Authorization Act

VII. Future scenarios: The “disappearing” of intellectual critics of the U.S. government?


SNIP...

VII. Future scenarios: The “disappearing” of intellectual critics of the U.S. government?

This leads me to my final point. The distinctive characteristic of American democracy, from 1776, was the protection of the individual and the preservation of individual rights. That no longer exists. Anyone is a potential terrorist now; anyone can be persecuted, prosecuted, and in effect, destroyed. Democracy is only possible if dissent is not only permitted, but also respected. This too is finished. What does this mean for someone such as myself?, is something I lay awake nights thinking about. I have published three books, and half a collection of essays, showing where we have gone wrong, predicting our eventual collapse—indeed, this repression is part of that collapse—and arguing that the U.S. no longer has a moral compass; that it is spiritually bankrupt. I run a blog that is anything but polite: it says the U.S. is finished; that it is essentially a corporate plutocracy, run by a gangster elite; that the American people are basically morons, with little more than fried rice in their heads; and that anyone with half a brain and the means to do so should emigrate before it’s too late. I’m not really a threat to the U.S. government, largely because I am not a political activist and because it’s not likely that more than 74 people out of 311 million regularly read my blog (it’s probably more like 24, in fact). But as the definition of terrorism widens in this country, what is to prevent the creation of a category known as “intellectual terrorism” from arising, and putting folks like myself in that category? What is to prevent the government from calling such activity a clear and present danger to national security? As must be obvious by now, the government can do anything it wants to; as in Nazi Germany, we now have a government of men, not of laws. Indeed, the “laws” are little more than a pretext for whatever the government wishes to do.

CONTINUED...

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/07/25/slouching-towards-nuremberg/



Is this America when the place acts like its run by NAZIs with boatloads of money?


kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
11. The skunk doesn't change his stripes
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:18 PM
Feb 2013

Brennan wrote a paper back in his college days in which he concluded torture was probably justifiable. That was back when torture was considered absolutely taboo, and "something the Nazis did", the mark of the North Koreans, and other outlaw regimes. Later as an agent of the government Brennan tortured. He is a cheap thug.
His involvement in torture was no mistake, and odds are he'll find ways to use it again.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
17. He claims to have had "concerns" over "enhanced interrogation techniques".
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:42 PM
Feb 2013

"Concerns"...Snort.

Wasn't concerned enough to speak out publicly when it was going on. You don't just sit back and allow people to torture or be tortured. The right thing is to do something about it.

Here's one of his concerns:

"He expressed concern, according to these officials, that if details of the program became public, it would be CIA officers who would face criticism, rather than the politicians and lawyers who approved them."

Oh, my! He was concerned about CIA agents getting a bad rap for committing war crimes. But only if the knowledge ever became public.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/30/us-obama-nominations-brennan-idUSBRE90T07I20130130

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
16. Great...now the committee is making water-boarding jokes.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:35 PM
Feb 2013

Last edited Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:08 PM - Edit history (1)

Nice.

It was Senator Richard Burr, Republican of North Carolina. Laughter heard.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
21. The United States is not a participant.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:00 PM
Feb 2013

America's war criminals - and I do include those who in government who knew and remained silent - will never be held accountable.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
22. The ICC should pick them up wherever the are
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:15 PM
Feb 2013

after all, that's what we do so we're apparently fine with the concept.

It torments me that justice won't be meted out to these criminals during our lifetime.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
23. I am also tormented by it.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:19 PM
Feb 2013

It overshadows everything (about my government and a good deal of my fellow citizens) for me.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
24. He sure was "weak" in his answer about Waterboarding as Torture!
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:28 PM
Feb 2013

He was so worried about his answer though that he thought the "Middle Road" was what would get his Nomination to go through!

He actually "threw a bone" to CODE PINK addressing the "concerns" of those who disgreed with the Drone attacks.

This is a FIRST for an Obama or Bush appointee to even ACKNOWLEDGE that "some folks who VOTE here in USA...are VERY concerned about Drone Strikes, Collateral Damage, Targeting and how far it will go until it reaches the beautiful shores of the USA to be targeted against our Patriot Citizens that have gone back to insurrection since we freed ourselves from the Brits back in the 1700's!

So....Brennan was doing a "hand out of Peace" to the Code Pink and rest of us Progressive Dems while doing his "COVER" for how humble he is and how he "knows better than the rest of us because of his exhaulted background as a Terrorist Hunter."

Brennan just can't "REVEAL what HE KNOWS" because it's Secret and PROTECTS us from the "TERRIBLE THINGS...we Americans cannot deal with.

IMHO ...of what I watched and what I've read from sources that are certainly Progressive.. I don't go to RW Sites for MY NEWS or WAFFLING MEDIA....

Just saying....I think this is important.

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