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kpete

(71,991 posts)
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:54 PM Feb 2013

UNACCEPTABLE! Brennan Stops Short Of Calling Waterboarding "Torture"

US News and World Report:
The White House's pick for CIA chief says the harsh interrogation technique known as waterboarding is reprehensible and should not be used on terror suspects — but he is refusing to call it a form of torture.
John Brennan says waterboarding should have never been legal and will never be used under his watch if he is confirmed as the Central Intelligence Agency director.

But he stopped short several times of calling it torture despite pointed questioning Thursday by Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan.

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2013/02/07/cia-pick-avoids-calling-waterboarding-torture



UPDATE:
Torture in the USA is now a joke


Three hours into John Brennan’s confirmation hearing, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) cracked a joke about harsh interrogation techniques.

“I’ll be brief,” Burr told the nominee to lead the Central Intelligence Agency. “I see you’re on your fourth glass of water and I don’t want to be accused of waterboarding you.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/02/07/richard-burr-cracks-waterboarding-joke/
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UNACCEPTABLE! Brennan Stops Short Of Calling Waterboarding "Torture" (Original Post) kpete Feb 2013 OP
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2013 #1
continuing kpete Feb 2013 #2
Exactly Solly Mack Feb 2013 #3
becuase he is one of the people responsible for our country's use of waterboarding, isn't he? robinlynne Feb 2013 #4
bingo kpete Feb 2013 #5
I mean literally. the Hague. He can be arrested internationally. There is documentation linking robinlynne Feb 2013 #10
He can't be arrested here. former9thward Feb 2013 #17
he certianly cant have no head of the CIA job, that's for sure... robinlynne Feb 2013 #23
Link? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #26
They will NEVER call it torture Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #6
I think you hit it. If government says it's torture, they're expected to turn the defendants over. RickFromMN Feb 2013 #15
Turn over to where? former9thward Feb 2013 #18
You ask a good question. RickFromMN Feb 2013 #37
Somebody should waterboard Brennan Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #7
So, Brennan says waterboarding is illegal and will never be used under his watch.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #8
He is denying what he has done uner W. I believe that is the point. robinlynne Feb 2013 #11
He personally didn't conduct or order torture under W... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #14
he helped to create the "legality" of torture. without which it couldnt have happened. he is one of robinlynne Feb 2013 #21
Link? nt. OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #24
google his name here on DU. you will see several articles. On tv just now, they called d him robinlynne Feb 2013 #32
link to glenn greenwald on brennan: robinlynne Feb 2013 #34
link to "assasination czar john Brennan" robinlynne Feb 2013 #35
an "architect" he was just called on Dianne Sawyer. he architected torture. bad enough? robinlynne Feb 2013 #33
EIT, EIT, EIT, ... xocet Feb 2013 #9
Wouldn't it rock if the Democrats all stood up against him? robinlynne Feb 2013 #12
Wait... this is OUR pick? Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #13
Yes, wake up and smell THAT coffee. nt Bonobo Feb 2013 #16
exactly..... robinlynne Feb 2013 #22
I heard Burr make that joke. I also heard the laughter from others. Solly Mack Feb 2013 #19
Sigh, that's 'my' Senator. :bangheadondesk: n/t appal_jack Feb 2013 #27
Too bad they can't call Torquemada to testify about waterboarding Jack Rabbit Feb 2013 #20
Enough intelligence to burn them all at the stake. It sure worked for the Inquisitors. JDPriestly Feb 2013 #29
If he had they would have claimed he was required to go after those who did it. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #25
Harsh Interrogation Techniques Ron Obvious Feb 2013 #28
The USA is a joke. Between the crazy-ass fundies and warmongering Richie Riches and valerief Feb 2013 #30
Brennan actually did a splendid job with his hearing overall, one of the best I've watched in ages 1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #31
If it's not torture, there are some Japanese officers who should be meeting with apologies soon. Heywood J Feb 2013 #36

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
4. becuase he is one of the people responsible for our country's use of waterboarding, isn't he?
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:58 PM
Feb 2013

If he admits it is torture, he admits committing a crime.

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
10. I mean literally. the Hague. He can be arrested internationally. There is documentation linking
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:07 PM
Feb 2013

him to the implementation of waterboarding.

former9thward

(32,006 posts)
17. He can't be arrested here.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:07 PM
Feb 2013

The U.S. is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court. They have no jurisdiction in the U.S.

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
23. he certianly cant have no head of the CIA job, that's for sure...
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:39 PM
Feb 2013

And we are signataries of some international laws about crimes including torture.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
6. They will NEVER call it torture
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:59 PM
Feb 2013

Because once the Obama administration lets that word loose, then the stage is set for war crimes charges.

former9thward

(32,006 posts)
18. Turn over to where?
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:08 PM
Feb 2013

The U.S. is not part of the International Criminal Court. They have no jurisdiction.

RickFromMN

(478 posts)
37. You ask a good question.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:34 AM
Feb 2013

There must be an international, or should I say, United Nations way to try war crimes.

I consider torture to be a war crime.

The United States could hardly be expected to give an impartial trial internally.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
8. So, Brennan says waterboarding is illegal and will never be used under his watch....
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:03 PM
Feb 2013

...but your main concern is that he didn't directly call it a form of torture?

Come on.



OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
14. He personally didn't conduct or order torture under W...
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:27 PM
Feb 2013

...in fact, his bio at the CIA from 1999-2005 clearly indicates he was working on the analyst side of the CIA, not the operations side which would have conducted or overseen the waterboarding:

*1999: Appointed chief of staff to George Tenet, then-Director of the CIA.

*2001: Brennan became deputy executive director of the CIA in March 2001.

*2003-2004: Director of the newly created Terrorist Threat Integration Center, an office that sifted through and compiled information for President Bush's daily top secret intelligence briefings and employed the services of analysts from a dozen U.S. agencies and entities.

*2004-2005: His last post within the Intelligence Community was as director of the National Counterterrorism Center which incorporated information on terrorist activities across U.S. agencies.

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
21. he helped to create the "legality" of torture. without which it couldnt have happened. he is one of
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:36 PM
Feb 2013

the sponsors of torture.

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
32. google his name here on DU. you will see several articles. On tv just now, they called d him
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:17 PM
Feb 2013

the architect of drone strikes as well. (I didnt know that part until juts now)

I read several article s about him, all damaging. he was one of the worst torture proponents under W. That is why code pink was in the hearing protesting today.
He represents water boarding.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
9. EIT, EIT, EIT, ...
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:03 PM
Feb 2013

There. Problem solved.

The issue has been sanitized.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Go ahead. Move along.

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
19. I heard Burr make that joke. I also heard the laughter from others.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:28 PM
Feb 2013

Members of our government are laughing over torture.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
20. Too bad they can't call Torquemada to testify about waterboarding
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:30 PM
Feb 2013

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He'd tell the committee that it was torture, and that he directed his inquisitors to use the technique because it worked at getting actionable intelligence from those suspected of witchcraft and heresy.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
29. Enough intelligence to burn them all at the stake. It sure worked for the Inquisitors.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:34 PM
Feb 2013

It should work for the CIA. Call it the Brennan Doctrine.

All who worked for the CIA in supervisory posts during the period in which torture or enhanced interrogation was administered should not be confirmed for the leadership post in the CIA. We must assume they had the ability to speak out or act against the policy, and they did not have the courage or common sense to do it.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
25. If he had they would have claimed he was required to go after those who did it.
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:54 PM
Feb 2013

I hate this game.

Here's the way it works, Republicans break the law, claim they didn't and then DARE Democrats to claim they did so they can accuse the Democrats of being the bad guys by persecuting poor innocent Republicans who didn't do anything wrong.

I say, drag them out kicking and screaming, strip them naked, cover them in hot tar followed by feathers and ride them out of town on a rail bouncing their nut sack against the pole the whole way.

You know,...just to be traditional...

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
28. Harsh Interrogation Techniques
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:19 PM
Feb 2013

I'm still shaking my head over the Orwellian phrase 'Harsh Interrogation Techniques". It almost sounds like satire, it's so contemptible.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
30. The USA is a joke. Between the crazy-ass fundies and warmongering Richie Riches and
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:40 PM
Feb 2013

too-stupid-to-live teabaggers, we might as well call ourselves the United States of Fecalmerica.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
31. Brennan actually did a splendid job with his hearing overall, one of the best I've watched in ages
Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:47 PM
Feb 2013

I'm serious, the man came across as reasonable and competent. He did not try to be evasive, he was not trying to impose his own will nor was he willing to say anything to please, he disagreed with several Senators several times. This will be the guy who is confirmed, and he will deserve it I suppose. One thing for sure, after today's hearing I'd have to say that the President could have done a whole lot worse.

By the way, I'd bet Hayden doesn't sleep well tonight.

Heywood J

(2,515 posts)
36. If it's not torture, there are some Japanese officers who should be meeting with apologies soon.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:16 AM
Feb 2013

Remember, waterboarding was considered a war crime at the Tokyo tribunal. Japanese officers were sentenced for it.

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