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annm4peace

(6,119 posts) Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:21 AM Feb 2013

Let us send our Senators the list of children killed by US Drones

from this website: http://www.4thmedia.org/2013/01/28/the-children-killed-by-america%e2%80%99s-drones-%e2%80%9ccrimes-against-humanity%e2%80%9d-committed-by-barack-h-obama/

This is a list of names of innocent children killed by America’s drones

But behind each name there is the face of a child with a family history in a village in a far away country, with a mom and a dad, with brothers and sisters and friends.

http://ts2.cn.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4546481482434041&pid=1.9

Among the list, are infants of 1, 2, 3 and 4 years old.

In some cases brothers and sisters of an entire family are killed.

http://ts2.cn.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4634214767002573&pid=1.9

Four sisters of the Ali Mohammed Nasser family in Yemen were killed. Afrah was 9 years old when she and her three younger sisters Zayda (7 years old) , Hoda (5 years old) and Sheika (4 years old) were struck by an American drone.

Ibrahim, a 13 year old boy of the Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye family in Yemen was struck by a US drone, together with his younger brother Asmaa (9 years old) and two younger sisters, Salma (4 years old) and Fatima (3 years old)

These children are innocent. They are not different from our own children.

Their lives were taken away at a very young age as part of a military agenda, which claims to be combating “international terrorism”

These drone attacks are extremely precise. We are not dealing with “collateral damage”.

Drone operators have the ability of viewing from a computer screen their targets well in advance of a strike.

A family home is referred to as a “structure” or a “building” rather than a house. When they target a home with family members, they kill children. And they know that in advance of the drone strike:

“Bryant saw a flash on the screen: the explosion. Parts of the building collapsed. The child had disappeared. Bryant had a sick feeling in his stomach.

“Did we just kill a kid?” he asked the man sitting next to him.

“Yeah, I guess that was a kid,” the pilot replied.

“Was that a kid?” they wrote into a chat window on the monitor.” ( The Woes of an American Drone Operator, Spiegel.de, December 14, 2012)

These children were killed on the orders of the US President and Commander in Chief Barack H. Obama.

The List of Names was compiled by The Bureau of Investigative Journalism

CIA Drone Strikes in Pakistan 2004–2013
Total US strikes: 362
Obama strikes: 310
Total reported killed: 2,629-3,461
Civilians reported killed: 475-891
Children reported killed: 176
Total reported injured: 1,267-1,431

US Covert Action in Yemen 2002–2013
Total confirmed US operations (all): 54-64
Total confirmed US drone strikes: 42-52
Possible extra US operations: 135-157
Possible extra US drone strikes: 77-93
Total reported killed (all): 374-1,112
Total civilians killed (all): 72-177
Children killed (all): 27-37

US Covert Action in Somalia 2007–2013
Total US strikes: 10-23
Total US drone strikes: 3-9
Total reported killed: 58-170
Civilians reported killed: 11-57
Children reported killed: 1-3

Drone Infographics
Interactive map
by Drones Team | 1 Comment

This map details the locations of CIA drone strikes in the remote Pakistani tribal areas.

Partial List of Children Killed

PAKISTAN

Name | Age | Gender

Noor Aziz | 8 | male
Abdul Wasit | 17 | male
Noor Syed | 8 | male
Wajid Noor | 9 | male
Syed Wali Shah | 7 | male
Ayeesha | 3 | female
Qari Alamzeb | 14| male
Shoaib | 8 | male
Hayatullah KhaMohammad | 16 | male
Tariq Aziz | 16 | male
Sanaullah Jan | 17 | male
Maezol Khan | 8 | female
Nasir Khan | male
Naeem Khan | male
Naeemullah | male
Mohammad Tahir | 16 | male
Azizul Wahab | 15 | male
Fazal Wahab | 16 | male
Ziauddin | 16 | male
Mohammad Yunus | 16 | male
Fazal Hakim | 19 | male
Ilyas | 13 | male
Sohail | 7 | male
Asadullah | 9 | male
khalilullah | 9 | male
Noor Mohammad | 8 | male
Khalid | 12 | male
Saifullah | 9 | male
Mashooq Jan | 15 | male
Nawab | 17 | male
Sultanat Khan | 16 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 13 | male
Noor Mohammad | 15 | male
Mohammad Yaas Khan | 16 | male
Qari Alamzeb | 14 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 17 | male
Abdullah | 18 | male
Ikramullah Zada | 17 | male
Inayatur Rehman | 16 | male
Shahbuddin | 15 | male
Yahya Khan | 16 |male
Rahatullah |17 | male
Mohammad Salim | 11 | male
Shahjehan | 15 | male
Gul Sher Khan | 15 | male
Bakht Muneer | 14 | male
Numair | 14 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Taseel Khan | 18 | male
Zaheeruddin | 16 | male
Qari Ishaq | 19 | male
Jamshed Khan | 14 | male
Alam Nabi | 11 | male
Qari Abdul Karim | 19 | male
Rahmatullah | 14 | male
Abdus Samad | 17 | male
Siraj | 16 | male
Saeedullah | 17 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Salman | 12 | male
Fazal Wahab | 18 | male
Baacha Rahman | 13 | male
Wali-ur-Rahman | 17 | male
Iftikhar | 17 | male
Inayatullah | 15 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Adnan | 16 | male
Najibullah | 13 | male
Naeemullah | 17 | male
Hizbullah | 10 | male
Kitab Gul | 12 | male
Wilayat Khan | 11 | male
Zabihullah | 16 | male
Shehzad Gul | 11 | male
Shabir | 15 | male
Qari Sharifullah | 17 | male
Shafiullah | 16 | male
Nimatullah | 14 | male
Shakirullah | 16 | male
Talha | 8 | male

YEMEN

Afrah Ali Mohammed Nasser | 9 | female
Zayda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 7 | female
Hoda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 5 | female
Sheikha Ali Mohammed Nasser | 4 | female
Ibrahim Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 13 | male
Asmaa Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 9 | male
Salma Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | female
Fatima Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 3 | female
Khadije Ali Mokbel Louqye | 1 | female
Hanaa Ali Mokbel Louqye | 6 | female
Mohammed Ali Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | male
Jawass Mokbel Salem Louqye | 15 | female
Maryam Hussein Abdullah Awad | 2 | female
Shafiq Hussein Abdullah Awad | 1 | female
Sheikha Nasser Mahdi Ahmad Bouh | 3 | female
Maha Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 12 | male
Soumaya Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 9 | female
Shafika Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 4 | female
Shafiq Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 2 | male
Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari | 13 | male
Daolah Nasser 10 years | 10 | female
AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout | 12 | male
Abdel- Rahman Anwar al Awlaki | 16 | male
Abdel-Rahman al-Awlaki | 17 | male
Nasser Salim | 19

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Let us send our Senators the list of children killed by US Drones (Original Post) annm4peace Feb 2013 OP

"Suffer the little children to come unto Me, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven." Wise Sage libdem4life Feb 2013 #1

it's all perfectly legal and those dead kids don't count. but you can t ry! nt msongs Feb 2013 #2

So you say it is all legal. And from what authority do you speak? rhett o rick Feb 2013 #4

I'm guessing the poster was being sarcastic. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #6

Oh for crying out loud, I've done it again. We need a rule that sarcasm must be rhett o rick Feb 2013 #9

Sarcasm about some royal decree stinking of papal infallibility from the White House Catherina Feb 2013 #8

This is like a bad dream. If the drone killers kill people other than targeted, rhett o rick Feb 2013 #10

Send a copy to the President also. - eom Amonester Feb 2013 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Feb 2013 #5

K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2013 #7

K&R And family pictures, woo me with science Feb 2013 #11

Let's not forget birth certificates so their deaths aren't dismissed Catherina Feb 2013 #12

K&R. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #13

kick woo me with science Feb 2013 #14

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)

1. "Suffer the little children to come unto Me, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven." Wise Sage

Reply to annm4peace (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:38 AM

Feb 2013

Our war department is guilty for sending them there before they had a chance to grow up, and for the intense grief and loss of the family and the community. But they are well cared for now I must believe, somehow, someway.

Rest in peace, Little Ones.

msongs

(67,413 posts)

2. it's all perfectly legal and those dead kids don't count. but you can t ry! nt

Reply to annm4peace (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:38 AM

Feb 2013

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)

4. So you say it is all legal. And from what authority do you speak?

Reply to msongs (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:09 AM

Feb 2013

I am guessing you are rationalizing the children's deaths to ease your mind.

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)

6. I'm guessing the poster was being sarcastic.

Reply to rhett o rick (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:23 AM

Feb 2013

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)

9. Oh for crying out loud, I've done it again. We need a rule that sarcasm must be

Reply to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:33 AM

Feb 2013

accompanied by to help the sarcasm deficient like myself.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)

8. Sarcasm about some royal decree stinking of papal infallibility from the White House

Reply to rhett o rick (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:32 AM

Feb 2013

WASHINGTON — This was the enemy, served up in the latest chart from the intelligence agencies: 15 Qaeda suspects in Yemen with Western ties. The mug shots and brief biographies resembled a high school yearbook layout. Several were Americans. Two were teenagers, including a girl who looked even younger than her 17 years.

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Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.

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This counting method may partly explain the official claims of extraordinarily low collateral deaths. In a speech last year Mr. Brennan, Mr. Obama’s trusted adviser, said that not a single noncombatant had been killed in a year of strikes. And in a recent interview, a senior administration official said that the number of civilians killed in drone strikes in Pakistan under Mr. Obama was in the “single digits” — and that independent counts of scores or hundreds of civilian deaths unwittingly draw on false propaganda claims by militants.

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But in interviews, three former senior intelligence officials expressed disbelief that the number could be so low. The C.I.A. accounting has so troubled some administration officials outside the agency that they have brought their concerns to the White House. One called it “guilt by association” that has led to “deceptive” estimates of civilian casualties.

“It bothers me when they say there were seven guys, so they must all be militants,” the official said. “They count the corpses and they’re not really sure who they are.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)

10. This is like a bad dream. If the drone killers kill people other than targeted,

Reply to Catherina (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:38 AM

Feb 2013

it will be considered ok, as long as an investigation does NOT prove the victims innocent. And the investigation is done by the killers where a lax investigation is to their benefit. And they can always fall back on the "guilt by association" rationalization with "association" meaning geographical proximity.

Why dont we cut to the chase and declare that anyone killed via drone is hereby declared a terrorist.