I found it to be very similar to my home state of Washington. Germany got colder in the winter and more snow, but it had lots of rain and cloudy days. What kind of idiots to they find to put on TV? Hired for their looks, I'll bet. Not a brain cell to share between them.

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and Wiesbaden. The running lament among all the mothers of my friends was that you never saw the sun. You could count the sunny days on two hands.

and we lived out of town in the small village of Stahl. We rented a small duplex -- the other half was a chicken coop. And on airman's pay, we were the working poor. Despite the inconveniences (no hot water, small space heater in the living room, 2-burner stove that didn't work if the oven was on) I loved the country and the entire experience of being there. Being from Seattle, the rain and grey skies didn't bother me at all.

This is what we expect from FAUX News, and the people who believe this kind of tripe deserve what they get, except that they're pulling the rest of us along with them to hell.

"We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Nature’s inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. … I’d put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don’t have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that."

- Thomas Edison, 1931

they are truthful, and don't realize that they have legal protection to lie without recourse. Until that gets overturned, and facts are what you hear on news, not lies, the people can't really be blamed.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Fox's credibility has been dropping like a stone and its viewership shrinking. This will make it even more of a laughingstock.

We ought to be pointing and laughing incessantly at them and at any idiot who believes this.

........ FAUX provides their own parody!

It's no wonder that we occasionally see parody posted here as fact before someone catches it.

it keeps getting harder and harder to parody these people.

That's another point we should make, Faux destroys jobs!

What is so sad is that people will believe this junk. Lol... I live in New Mexico and we rarely ever have any cloud coverage. Too much sun for this relocated northerner.

and hightailed it back to New York due to the incessant sun. Seems I need 4 seasons. And I say that while I'm watching the blizzard warning we're facing.

Welcome to DU

on the great central German desert

It was sunny only about 80% of the time. And even when it would rain, usually the clouds would show up, rain and be gone within a couple of hours, the rest of the day would be more of the same old sunny.

That of course is nothing compared to Germany, where it's sunny 138% of the time!

But then I wonder how many in Fox's audience could even find Germany on a map, much less have been there. So how would they know it's bullshit?

Which is why the German Luftwaffe maintains a permanent training detachment at Holloman AFB in your state!

you tell a lie long enough, often enough and loud enough people will believe it. Although in the case of Fox viewers, they seem to have an uncanny desire for lies.

But then again, perhaps Fox News is just worshipping its patron saint, Dr. Goebbels.

the Germans wouldn't go on holiday to Spain wherever for the heat - which they do.

They seem to have achieved this despite their weather : Germany sets new solar power record, institute says.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/26/us-climate-germany-solar-idUSBRE84P0FI20120526

Here's a random link to their weather in the south today : http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2907911

And here's Los Angeles : http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5368361

On the odd occasions I've passed through Germany I have no recollection of it being particularly sunny any more than the UK.

I now live in Southern California and have lived in lots of places in the US.

Germany is cold and wet.

We have a much sunnier climate than Germany. In much of the Midwest, we have lots of sunshine, especially during the summer.

England used to be downright gloomy and overcast. Athens, Greece is really sunny. At least that is the way I remember it.

The latitude and longitude in Berlin, Germany 52/30N and 20/32E 6:00 p.m.
The latitude and longitude in Mecca, Saudi Arabia 21/29N and 39/45E 8:00 p.m.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001769.html

Athens, 38°00'N; 23°43?E

Wichita, Kansas 37°41?N 97°20?W

Jacksonville, Florida 30°19?N 81°40?W

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_latitude

It's the North South one that matters here.

We are about half-way South between Berlin and Mecca and much of about half of our country is about as far south as Athens.

Fox News needs to look at a globe or at least a map.

Solar energy would be even more useful for us than for Germany. It isn't just Fox News. It's a lot of people. What fools.

Steve Doocey, Gretchen Carlson and whoever the other soulless bastard is, seem like news characters from some comedy movie! Doocey is clueless and Gretchen Carlson just pretends to be. She is highly educated, and a great musician, so it's funny to watch her play the helpless, dumb blonde. I guess they think the viewers would get offended by a smart WOMAN!

She is ivy League school educated yet goes on air attacking the Ivy League elites.

I wonder if she will ever, perhaps years after she retires, regret her choice of career as playing that dumb blonde and her role in the dumbing down of America.

when Carlson retires, she will write a book about Faux News and she won't paint a pretty picture. It will probably make some money for her.

These people are beneath contempt.

Mind boggling just doesn't quite cut it for how incongruous those claims are.

Where the hell did they get this Joshi "MORAN"? Buwahahahhahaa!

I've never gone there for the sun.

I read that headline to my wife and she said "Are you kidding?"

Ya think?

that they actually believe their own bullshit! Maybe we need a new law call 'No Pundit left behind'!!

Every house built should have a solar component. There should be serious government subsidies for installing them. I had an addition done on my house and looked into it, an it just was too expensive and any government rebate had expired. Obama was correct to try to jump start a business that could help make this country energy independent.

I might add that there is solar on the White House grounds. My friend's solar company was a subcontractor on the job. The White House pool is heated with solar and there are panels on the service buildings that provide some electricity to the White House and for the grounds services.

But there aren't panels on the roof of the White House itself.

Carter originally had them on the White House. Reagan took them off because he was against the government forcing technology or some excuse. I think they went back on during the Clinton Administration. Can't recall exactly.

But I remember being in DC at an electric car event, the Tour de Sol, and some guys came by to look at our electric cars. I had brought my electric Ford Escort. I recognized the company name on their shirts and they told me that my friend Dan, who was in our electric car club, was their boss and they were just getting back from installing panels on the White House grounds and that it took a bit longer to install because the Secret Service inspected all their tools and all the panels and equipment being installed. But they were thrilled to be installing them. There were actually 3 companies involved. One engineering firm and two installation companies. All local to DC. I knew most of the installers back then because there only a few at that time. Alot of folks active in the alternative energy community, wind, solar and electric cars pretty much know each other since we all have a common interest so we have an "in" on what's going on. So that's how I know there is solar presently at the White House. It's just not "on" the White House. I doubt they ever will put them "on" the White House itself if they plan to expand the system because of the present roof mounted AC equipment, communications equipment and the security detail on the roof. So stuff like that is installed on outbuildings.

Ichingcarpenter

Somewhere sit an old teacher Who is crying a little because of his statement... A teacher Who tried his or her best to educate a little Child geography, but now it looks like they failed misabely...

Diclotican

It's the contempt for it's viewers which, unfortunately, is probably not misplaced.

sarge43

So many americans seen to be a little ignorant of the world outside their own little neck of the wood I guess... If Germany have more sun, because of the size of the country - why haven't I more sun true the year - and why are I not in a hotter climate - as I live in a country who is far smaller than Germany, who is one of the biggest country's in Western Europe...

I think many in Fox news, really believe that they can show this outright contempt for the viewers as a matter of facts, but then again, you should never look at fox news for information and news - I had fox news a little while right after 11 sept 2001 - it was interesting to look at - but not worth the time as it was, for the most part outright rubbish what was said there - but it was a lot of entertainment though... Even though my head was hurting because of all the stupid statements...

Diclotican

Until very recently, it's been successful because it provides its viewers with exactly what they want -- confirmation of their opinions and beliefs.

I grew up in the Midwest, specifically Michigan. I lived in Germany for six years. I know why most of my ancestors settled in the Midwest, specifically MI. Reminded them of home. Kick ass winters, lovely summers. All year around, some days cloudy, some sunny. Also lived in the US south for many years. It is sunnier than Germany. In southern California, natives get twitchy when they see a cloud; they're not sure what it is.

When Gingrich took over congress,he chased anyone away who suspiciously showed signs of intelligence.
The idea of an expert in the employ of Fox News is laughable,like this video of a Fox Expert:
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they should try truth once in a while, instead if Republican, Inc. sewage

while in Earth dry dock when they lead us in the space race as well. Well done Germany. Too bad the US is stuck in the stone age.

Not a single thing about it. Why is that? It's an Ugly Topic? heh

Perhaps this is more pleasing to your eyes:


Land around Fukishima now radioactive dead zone:
Resembles target struck by atomic bomb

Almost can't wait to see my Faux New slug of a brother and hear him tell me this.

aren't there batteries that store power when the panels don't provide enough power? And don't a lot of places employ wind turbines as a sort of back-up?

on solar and other renewable energy... jobs, lower energy costs, less pollution, who knows what else.

this might be an appropriate use...

Shibani Joshi is Fox's so-called "expert". Her husband, Rahul Advani, is the principal in an energy industry VC firm - Energy Capital Partners LLC - that seems to have invested a lot of money in large-scale coal and gas power generation plants and companies. They've spent some money on solar, but very little it seems in comparison to traditional fossil fuel investments.
Conflict of interest? Probably. Energy expertise? Obviously not. Business as usual over at Fox News.

Not all, but most.

That may have been above normal but the climate of Germany is on par with that of New York.

The old "Wind dies, Sun Sets! Fossil fuels RULE!" hilarity. The knuckle-dragging is seismic.

Apparently no one from Fox has ever been to San Diego, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson, Denver, Reno, Dallas-Ft. Worth, Austin, Houston-Galveston, New Orleans, Tallahassee, Tampa, Orlando, Ft. Myers-Naples, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Daytona Beach, Jacksonville, Atlanta, Hilton Head, Myrtle Beach, Raleigh-Durham...and I'm sure a few other places.

Maybe not...

honestly, are we really surprised.

and "libtards" are ankle-biters for criticizing her.

I know that accusing others of one's own sins is a human foible, but right-wingers do it SO constantly and on SO many issues and statements (like this one) that I think it crosses over into pathology.

I honestly, truly believe that today's conservatives are not right in the head. I don't know whether to call it "mental illness" or "Fox-induced psychosis" or what, but there are a LOT of right-wingers who have obvious mental and emotional issues. A LOT of them.

And it's sad that people actually get their world view from them.

No, the only thing that looks "dim" is the commentary on FOX "News."

I think you need the IQ of a turnip to believe the idiots on FOX.

and the U.S. would have avoided this obvious display of ignorance. Oh well, who needs to waste their valuable time on objective research?

you know, I noticed my solar lights still seem to recharge enough on cloudy days to light up all night, what does that mean?

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They don't allow their projects to come up for vote with each new congress, who depending on which way the wind blows, decides to fund or defund projects (one persons pork is another's super project). Look at the super collider (sp?) in Waco. Lots of scientists lost their jobs and went to Europe after congress decided to defund that project. It devastated Waco and surrounding area. Lots of people were banking on that project continuing.

We as a county just don't have the wherewithal to fund projects anymore, no matter the costs, to see actual benefits. Probably the space shuttle was the last one. Now, we are held to the whimsy of tea baggers in congress or blue dog democrats. No guts, no glory.

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http://costofwar.com

Ladies and gentlemen... I give you $1 trillion dollars...

http://www.pagetutor.com/trillion/index.html

Notice those pallets are double stacked.
...and remember those are $100 bills.

So the next time you hear someone toss around the phrase "trillion dollars"... that's what they're talking about.

shame

However, the sad part is that likely 90% or more of Fox viewers won't notice the misguided commentator's mistake.

you know what you're talking about.

O.M.Fucking.G!!!

Florida or Arizona. Do those people at Fox News get out much? I wonder if the building is designed like some ones Mom's basement?

Their stupidity knows no bounds.

Trinity University in San Antonio--that used to be their slogan.

There were five military bases in S.A. because it was good flying weather--over 300 days a year of sun.

San Antonio is at 29.23 N Latitute
Houston is at 29.45 N Latitude.

San Angelo is at 31.27 N Latitude. I think they have a military base there.

Cairo, Egypt is at 30.2 N.

Berlin is at 52.30 N.

I have never been there. However, my sister lived there for two years, and my dad was stationed there for a year in the Army.

All of them said the weather is usually overcast and often drizzly.

We had a Luftwaffe pilot at my former ANG base many years ago. He told us that the Luftwaffe comes to America and Canada to train because "the weather in Germany is so often shitty."

The Luftwaffe maintains a training detachment at Holloman AFB, NM (which IS largely sunny) exactly for that purpose! Prior to that they were at George AFB in California.

http://www.militaryaircraft.de/pictures/AFB-Holloman/Luftwaffe.html

Of course, it's Fux Noise...what do you expect?

it is not always grey and dreary but from October to March it is flat out grey and dreary.
We had a detail (Army speak for a task) whose only job was to collect the dead birds right behind where we held formations.

Germany is the size of Oregon - Nevade alone (85% of it is own by the Federal government) could supply electricity for the whole country IF we develop better ways of storing energy.

Top 10 Solar Energy Myths
http://www.solarenergy.net/Articles/top-10-solar-energy-myths.aspx

Solar panels do not work in cold, cloudy places/states. UV light is all that's needed and even the cloudiest of places have excelled. Germany, who ranks low in sunny days, is the solar energy capital of the world. In fact, when the solar panels are cold, they are able to better conduct electricity.

I was in the ANG, so (unfortunately!) I know what a work detail is.

My dad was stationed at Erlangen and my sister and ex-brother-in-law were at Augsburg. My niece was born there. My cousin was stationed at Hanau.

Europe in general is way head of the curve on solar and wind energy.

Remember, Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the White House but Ronald Reagan had them removed.

one of my fav towns.

I was stationed at Pioneer Kaserne, and lived in Erlensee

My cousin died some years ago, so I never really found out what he thought of the area. I know he was in the Ordnance Corps, and that he was in around the same time that Elvis Presley was.

My uncle (who inspired me to join the AF/ANG) was in the Air Force not long after it became an independent service. One of his hitches was in Germany (the other in England). I think he was at Landstuhl.

When my dad was there (late '50s) with the 4th Armored Div., it was the immediate pre-Berlin Wall era and it was a very nervous (to say the least) time. He told me about one time when the Soviets started making noise and his unit was put on alert, confined to base for something like three weeks at full readiness.

However it is one of novel design and use by a community.
CleanTechnica: http://cleantechnica.com/2012/12/27/biggest-community-owned-solar-array-in-us-now-online/

And check out the link to their impression of the Fox spews story this thread is discussing. (Upper right)

we won't have any electricity after dark.

as Bill OReilleys "the tide goes in, the tide goes out, you can't explain it" comment.

We pull in about 100-250 watts. Not as much as a sunny day, but pretty decent. Of course, we just got it installed in November. Can't wait for summer, when will hopefully sell electricity back to BGE!

That was the slogan of a local brew: I assume they meant it ironically, because it either rained or snowed the whole time I was there.

Where do they hire these idiots?

lived in Germany 4 years in 70s and live in WA now (40 years)

weather is remarkably the same. Less dense fog as Germany, we were at Rhein Mein AFB. Rain, gloom, check.

I incorrectly stated that the chief difference between the U.S. and Germany’s success with solar installations had to do with climate differences on a "Fox and Friends" appearance on Feb. 7. In fact, the difference come down more to subsidies and political priorities and has nothing to with sunshine.

Defense contractors spread out production of the war machine components to as many states as possible, so that a programme, no matter who wasteful and unneeded, will result in the wailing and gnashing of teeth over 'jobs lost' throughout the land, be it blue state or red state. This ignores the fact that these trillions spent on war (a negative activity) by the government would have been spent on producing tangible goods and services that actually had a postive impact on the overall economic ecosphere.

Military Keynesians like Paul Krugman, et al, keep perpetuating the big lie that any form of government spending, (even if is funding of infrastructure-destroying weapons of war) is good for the economy. This is a fundamental example of the 'broken window fallacy'.

on a cloudy day?

Please proceed Faux!

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Our nation will never be unified to tackle a multitude of serious issues until Fox ceases to influence a large portion of our population with the stupid.

Pick any issue that is a threat to our nation and Fox pushes an agenda that is opposite to the most suitable solution. An agenda narrowly suited to generate profit for billionaires at our children's expense.

Fox: The single greatest threat to our nation. Truth.

Unfortunately, there's a segment of our population that's too lazy to think for itself, and as such can skew election results in favor of America's most pernicious sector, greedy malefactors bent on victimizing unsuspecting dupes. Capo Dick Cheney and rest of the Bush cartel used Pox (deliberate typo) to conceal and obfuscate the facts that would have led to their removal from Washington DC. and relocation to the Hague.

How could we ever hope to get power from one part of the country to another? We'd need, like, an electrical GRID or something.

in case it's needed

I've never heard of Joshi before. Now I know why.

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.....let me laugh my ass off at the suggestion Germany has more Sunshine....

1. It has a warm and sunny Mediterranean climate, with olive groves that produce some of the finest olive oil in the world.

2. The German language is not Germanic at all, but evolved as one of the Romance (as in Roman) languages that evolved directly from Latin along with all the other warm & sunny climate Mediterranean countries' languages.

3. Hitler & Mussolini did not not require translators, since their languages were nearly identical (refer to #2 above).

4. The current pope is German, which in ethnic terms is indistiguishable from the long lineage of Italian popes, until recently unbroken for centuries.

5. Most emergency room visits during Oktoberfest are not from acute alcohol toxicity, but from heat stroke, given the spirited outdoor festivities in the blazing hot German sun come autumn.

Since it's not April 1st, all this must be true!

NO REALLY!!! CRAZY LIKE A FOX!

and given the amount of roof space we can generate about 70% of our annual usage, easily. We are south-facing with 100% clear sky view.

Seattle gets about 15% more sun than Germany. We already have a solar hot water system and turn the boiler off from spring to fall. The day that they installed it, it was overcast and drizzly. The water in the holding tank was at 100 degrees in a few hours.

I was stationed in Germany for 3 years (thanks, taxpayers!), at Sembach Air Base. Lots of cool, drizzly days, but when the sun came out (sometime around July?) it was stunningly beautiful. The areas in Bavaria we visited were sunny a lot more of the time - higher altitude, lots more UV available.

Solar definitely works in Seattle. Neighbors have their electric meters moving backwards much of the time, and they make a net gain at the end of the year with Seattle City Light paying for production.

It is one thing to see Fox News and laugh at the fools, but to actually take them seriously is amazing.

Thanks, DUers for all the LOLs and just plain DUzys.

I don't even know what to say when confronted with idiocy on this level.

They're going to be laughed off the air. What idiots.

...okay, not "anyone," but how many? That's nuts!

after spouting that shit. But then again, they have never let truth stand in the way of spouting BS as the truth. I live in Texas and I know bull shit when I see and smell it.

Been to Germany, live in Texas, been to the Southwest desert. Faux, faux, faux. Plenty of solar and wind

Koch Brothers Fund Bogus Studies to Kill Renewable Energy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elliott-negin/koch-brothers-fund-bogus-_b_2253472.html

I'd love to see this go viral on the "series of tubes" called the internets.