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Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:17 AM Feb 2013

"Killer Robots" No Joke. Blink twice, and they'll be here....

Fully autonomous killing machines are just over the horizon. Check out this report from DemocracyNow a few months ago:



Nobel Peace laureate Jody Williams is joining with Human Rights Watch to oppose the creation of killer robots — fully autonomous weapons that could select and engage targets without human intervention. In a new report, HRW warns such weapons would undermine the safety of civilians in armed conflict, violate international humanitarian law, and blur the lines of accountability for war crimes. Fully autonomous weapons do not exist yet, but high-tech militaries are moving in that direction, with the United States taking the lead. Williams, winner of the 1997 Nobel Peace Prize for her work with the International Campaign to Ban Landmines, joins us along with Steve Goose, director of Human Rights Watch’s Arms Division.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/11/20/killer_robots_hrw_and_nobel_laureate
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"Killer Robots" No Joke. Blink twice, and they'll be here.... (Original Post) Junkdrawer Feb 2013 OP
What a world dotymed Feb 2013 #1
The turning point of revolution is often when the order to "Fire on the Mob" is given..... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #3
Everybody dies. blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #2
I MIGHT BE "OLD FASHIONED" BUT drynberg Feb 2013 #4
If land mines and cluster bombs had legs..... n/t 2on2u Feb 2013 #5
Heard this on NPR dangin Feb 2013 #6
That's what drones are lunatica Feb 2013 #7
Put it this way: "Fully Autonomous" won't be a sharp line crossed. It will be a gradual process.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #8
I agree. But will it happen before the earth becomes uninhabitable to humans? rhett o rick Feb 2013 #9
Strangely, I see it as interrelated.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #10
That makes for an interesting horror scenario. Blanks Feb 2013 #11
To say nothing about the feasibility of ultra-high-tech after social breakdown.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #12
...or the raw materials to make batteries for the 'killer robots'. Blanks Feb 2013 #20
Of course an interrelationship exists. But we are assuming that the habitability of the earth rhett o rick Feb 2013 #13
I'm not terribly worried MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #14
Who would have thought that movies could be so prophetic... yends21012 Feb 2013 #15
I Found Them..... Mister K Feb 2013 #16
Now that MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #17
Atomic....definately atomic. Mister K Feb 2013 #18
Perhaps even MynameisBlarney Feb 2013 #19
No autonomous mechs. That Djinni won't go back into the bottle, once released. Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #21
Exactly. There was a time when computer chips were restricted for export.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #22

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
3. The turning point of revolution is often when the order to "Fire on the Mob" is given.....
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:54 AM
Feb 2013

With autonomous robots, that is no longer a problem.

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
4. I MIGHT BE "OLD FASHIONED" BUT
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:17 AM
Feb 2013

I truly believe that DRONES are where we need to focus, cause they are not only NOW but more and diversely perverse with each friggin' hour! Let's not get distracted, as these DRONES are the largest threat to international relations, peace, and civility the earth has ever seen. It's like the invention of gunpowder on friggin' crack! And we ain't even talkin' bout the corporations use of these new "tools" of deceit, spying, invasion of privacy & safety...oh Mama, ya ain't seen nuttin' yet...but ya will.

dangin

(148 posts)
6. Heard this on NPR
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:27 AM
Feb 2013

About a decade ago a retired general was being interviewed. He said then we were about a decade away from T-100s I think that is the model of the original terminator. Not covered in skin. Just a metal robot that carried weapons into combat.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
7. That's what drones are
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:32 AM
Feb 2013

Next will be self correcting autonomous robots who learn. A lot like new email programs, spell check, and personalized ads on the internet.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
8. Put it this way: "Fully Autonomous" won't be a sharp line crossed. It will be a gradual process....
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:35 AM
Feb 2013

Software will aid the operator more and more until the operator is no longer necessary.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
10. Strangely, I see it as interrelated....
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:49 AM
Feb 2013

As resources dwindle and environmental destruction leads to food shortages, the push for this technology to guard the 1% will increase.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
11. That makes for an interesting horror scenario.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:06 AM
Feb 2013

The wealthy create robots that are sentient beings to protect themselves from the masses.

How long before a sentient being sees that it is wrong to oppress so many so that so few can have so much.

They'd probably be better off leaving them on remote control.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
12. To say nothing about the feasibility of ultra-high-tech after social breakdown....
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:12 AM
Feb 2013

How many hundreds of thousands of workers are needed to convert raw minerals into, say, an iPhone?

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
20. ...or the raw materials to make batteries for the 'killer robots'.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:08 AM
Feb 2013

Or mine the coal for conventional electric energy. The robots will have to be powered by something.

Wouldn't it be tragic if the unwashed masses attacked and the wealthy couldn't defend themselves because the long logistical tail required to have a robot army had decayed.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. Of course an interrelationship exists. But we are assuming that the habitability of the earth
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:18 AM
Feb 2013

is deteriorating linearly or even geometrically. I see the possibility that there might be a step-function along the line. For example, we could have an event that kills the oceans. That may happen before the robots are ready to function w/o us.

MynameisBlarney

(2,979 posts)
14. I'm not terribly worried
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:46 AM
Feb 2013

about killer robots. Not the ground based versions anyway.
They aren't going to be "terminators"
They would be relatively easy to overcome with low tech countermeasures I would think.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
22. Exactly. There was a time when computer chips were restricted for export....
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:14 PM
Feb 2013

over worries like this. But once much, much more powerful computers were MADE overseas, that backstop disappeared.

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