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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCyberbullying and a Green Bay Packers Cheerleader--(excellent!)
ScreamingMeemie posted this in the sports forum...thought it would play well in GD.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Bullies should be identified, and socially shunned. The behavior should be as acceptable as smoking indoors or drinking and driving.
FYI, since I added a note I expect the usual list of invisibles to get involved. Kindly ignore them. Shun them. Don't react to them.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)*cough* man. fuck you.
this is the filth you are.
to ALL the men that spoke out. i love you. this is what a man is.
to the woman.... you kick ass. you are awesome. i LOVE that she has taken this on. every woman.... your voice. even in written words... use the voice.
trumad, thank you.
and screaming .... a huge hug and thanks.
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and please, spell out your insult. being a man and all. show all of us what you got.
SwissTony
(2,560 posts)The post was deleted, but if that was said, that's disgusting.
I'm male, if that matters.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)he chose not to answer, but by his reply, it seems like he was condoning the behavior. dunno?
most all men i know would feel like you, and the men that made a comment supporting the woman.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)"We did not see all the posts to take down the Cheerleader pic until today.
We get hundreds of messages per day and are not always on here. The issue has been resolved. Please respect one another and do not bully on this page."
(17 hours ago)
Shame it took this video to get them to do the right thing.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)and make another vid
aikoaiko
(34,171 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)Response to trumad (Original post)
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Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:30 PM - Edit history (1)
is she single?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)It's wonderful that so many Bears fans defended her (and her doing the video in Bears' blue and orange in response to those defenders was a great touch!).
trumad
(41,692 posts)Dwight Schrute.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)amazing likeness.
Sid
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)THIS, is what i see.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)In my experience some of the nastiest guys are the ones getting the most females.
Yeah, there's plenty of trash talking by dweeby looking guys like in the picture but the men who really have the least respect for women are those who have a string of them and they rarely look like that picture.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Told to me by one very good looking "lady killer" type guy I worked with, he rarely remembered the names of the cowgirls he woke up with on Saturday morning. He made crude comments about every woman he saw, total disrespect.
A pretty face don't mean no pretty heart, it works with both sexes.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that boast this shit are the ones that do not interact with women.
so, when i hear this shit on du, or anywhere else, .... THAT picture is what i see.
i see an insecure, incapable man that is not getting any. he may feel all warm and fuzzy with his buddies, but he is not impressing the women.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Every single one of the guys I've known that got a lot of sex from many different women were total narcissists, they may flatter the women initially and play the sweetheart role but they actually despise women and trash them constantly in many ways, think of them as meat there for the taking.
The football team members that were raping the women in Steubenville and then trashing them while laughing about it weren't dorky guys that weren't getting any, they were popular athletes with girlfriends.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)what i am saying, is what i have experienced though.
but, i do get what you are saying.
it really is all in the parenting and the atmosphere created in homes. not even with gender issues, but compassion, kindness, respect. there are those that have it and those that do not.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Posting insults online is not an attractive trait no matter what one looks like.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)that trash talking about a woman makes them men. And always in my experience, the trash talkers and misogynists are the most awkward with women, confused and afraid of them, and end up having the worst relationships and lonely lives. Doesn't matter if the man is rich or poor, handsome or no, if he doesn't know how to treat women, there is a gaping hole in his life.
I wish they could see this woman smile as she thanks all the kind commenters and then tell me she is ugly.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the ones that are the very worst will later tell their stories.
i agree with you post.
men ought to recognize what exactly they project behaving in this manner, and it really is not complimentary.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Cyberbullying should be free speech, but with consequences. I would like to see her shame every person who can be tracked back.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)watch the cockroaches scurry back to their holes.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)I want the identifiable roaches put on display for all to see: spouses, children, employers, friends.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)way this issue can be addressed.
oh,. and the revenge porn. get those faces all over the net.
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)Can I just say that I hate fucking facebook and the self serving narcissists that troll it.
Aldo Leopold
(685 posts)but that's obviously beside the point. I admire this young woman for standing up to the bullies. God damn, if it's one thing I hate, it's bullies.
On another note, doesn't the very fact teams use cheerleaders promote the objectification of women and judgment of them based on appearance? There are 6 NFL teams (including, I thought, the Packers) who do not have cheerleaders. They all have successful franchises, in terms of loyal fan bases, and four of them have perennially good win-loss records as well as some Super Bowl victories (Bears, Packers, Giants, Steelers). Obviously, a team doesn't need cheerleaders to be popular or to win games. I watched a lot of football while my daughters were growing up (and still do), and they both wanted to be cheerleaders when they were little, probably because, in part, they watched football with me and saw the cheerleaders on tv. My reaction was to encourage them to be an athlete on the field rather than the person cheering for them on the sideline.
I should emphasize this is not an attempt to denigrate the cheerleader in this case. Not at all. I'm just trying to look "higher up the food chain" at the people putting women like her in this position in the first place, even though, yes, I agree she chose this profession and shouldn't have to take any shit for having made that choice.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Out of the 32 in the league, only seven NFL teams lack a cheerleading squad. These teams are New York Giants, Pittsburgh Steelers, New York Jets, Detroit Lions, Chicago Bears, Green Bay Packers, and Cleveland Browns.
- The Pittsburgh Steelers
- The Chicago Bears
- The Cleveland Browns
- The New York Giants
- The Detroit Lions
- The Green Bay Packers
and... good daddy. high five, you. teaching your daughters well, and they need it so, from the dads in their life.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)we the fans come to watch football, not dancing girls in skimpy outfits. These cities are the industrial belt of America, Manhattan aside, NY is still in it.
We love our teams and cherishing tradition, try to maintain our roots.
Green Bay will bring in cheerleaders from local and state colleges. They do not look like the Dallas cheerleaders.
We like the real thing in our teams.
Beer, brats and football!
I thought the gal was cute!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)^^^I did not buy that ring but my independently wealthy brother did.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)there is a lot of good, and a lot of example from the team. having two boys who are really into football, as a mom, i appreciate the packers.
i wont go to jerrys little house of cheerleaders to watch a game. as disappointed as my boys are, he isnt getting my money.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Did you see Donald Drtiver's retirement? The Smile!
When the country screams 'Family Values' over every little thing, Green Bay stands tall as a truly upstanding example of those.
To the OP: So many, casting stones. Different family values I guess.
Add me as one of your supporters!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)<iframe width="560" height="315" src="
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(5,103 posts)That made me cry! In a good way!
Thanks for that!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I hated seeing him go.
You're welcome. He's going to be as beloved as Bart.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)go pack go!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I'm a sap but I'm really going to miss him. He brought so much class and really got the mystique you know?
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)the community are really missing out. It's magical.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Someday I want to get back for a game.
If you are ever down here in TX, I've found a bunch of transplanted Packer backers and it's almost like being home for a second.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)They don't pay them to be role models and yet he was one.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Several Green Bay Packers cheerleading squads have performed in Green Bay Packers' history. The Packers became one of the first professional football teams to have a cheerleading squad, having first used cheerleaders in 1931. The squad performed for 57 years under three separate names. In 1988, it was decided that the team would cease having a professional squad cheer for them. As of 2007, the team uses collegiate squads in a limited role to cheer during home games.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers_cheerleaders
She could have been a college cheerleader at Packers' games. She looks too young to have been a cheerleader in 1988. But that is just my guess.
I'm glad she is speaking up.
juanalderete
(2 posts)and alternate between St. Norbert's and UW Green Bay cheerleaders.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)people who want to be a part of the game, the team, and the atmosphere.
These are local college students (both men and women dressed in Packer warm-up wear and carrying green and gold pom poms)--They do it because they want to and not for pay.
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Q1x2231XGekthgrMP5O5lQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTMxMA--/
The team is why children ride their bikes to the practice field, hoping that players will chose theirs to ride:
It's why we come out in droves to shovel seats in the stadium after snowstorms. Because we love this team.
Here's an adorable video of Donald Driver giving back to a fan:
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I admit I cried real tears when Donald Driver retired. He was the last starter to still be on the team from the time my beloved MrG was alive.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I'm fascinated by this technique so many videos use these days of putting their message on cards and flashing them one by one. Why not just speak your piece rather than the cards?
I'm trying to figure out if its MORE insightful written out like this, or distracting? Maybe both (if that's not too weird.
Anyway the message is great.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i was wondering. someone in this field, it would be interesting insight.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)who are being cyber-bullied. Perhaps their experience is so painful, it's difficult to speak of without breaking down in tears. Writing their thoughts down and then presenting them to the world is probably quite therapeutic, and guarantees there will be nothing left unsaid.
I remember in my youth, putting on paper my thoughts and feelings. Don't know if I would have published them on the internet had it existed at the time, but understand those who take advantage of it today as a means to defend themselves. I'm glad to see her efforts to remove the photo have worked. Now I'm off to the YouTube page to tell her how beautiful she is, inside and out.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i felt there was a real valid reason. i couldnt come up with it, lol. me, ..... i have a loud voice, lol. but, you are right on with what you say.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Sad that this young woman had to endure that sort of nastiness.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Although I don't think my family or friends would do things like that to anyone.
By the way, when I first looked at this young woman's picture, I thought to myself, what a beautiful, poised young woman. When I read that she was a cheerleader, I was not surprised.
Good luck to her in life. May she find happiness and a thick skin.
People can be very cruel even when they aren't trying. A thick skin is a wonderful gift.
michigandem58
(1,044 posts)She's an adult who made the decision to become something of a public figure by being a Packers' cheerleader. Surely she understands those comments are only because they're from a rival team's fans - she obviously isn't ugly. Pictures of rival fans are posted and made fun of as well. This frivilous kind of complaining cheapens genuine claims of bullying.
She needs to grow a little thicker skin.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Whether you realize it or not,
you have been chosen for your occupation based on one major criteria,
your physical sexual appeal.
If you choose to strip down to the minimum level acceptable by law,
and dance before crowds of drunken men,
some of them are going to notice, and comment on this aspect of your physical appearance.
Unfortunately, a commercial spectacle where over sized men, pumped up on steroids,
try to kill each other with their bare hands while their owners charge exorbitant amounts of money from spectators who consider this the pinnacle of their week
does NOT attract America's Best & Brightest.
Those who then seek out the company of like minded on the internet for companionship until the NEXT weekend spectacle will further refine the population.
Much like Panning for Gold requires multiple washings to remove layers of contaminants, the people (men & women) who spend their time on Internet Sites dedicated to their favorite Sports teams are the Pure Refined Product.
Any contaminants of Respect, Manners, Compassion, Humanity, or Civilization
will have been washed away.
Pleased don't act shocked or insulted by what you find at the bottom of this pan.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)or a woman with a blog on the net, or a woman giving a lecture to an audience, or hell.... a secretary of state. that they dare not be attractive enough for men. or they dare to show their unattractive face to the world.
i guess we can always find excuses for some of our mens behavior by blaming the woman.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)It IS stating a condition of our World Reality.
I personally feel that that a is a very sad condition, and wish things on our planet were more humane.
I try to ensure that MY household is.
I don't tolerate that kind of behavior in MY home,
and am distressed that our little home at DU has been over run with it.
I also wish that chimpanzees wouldn't throw feces,
but if you get too close to their cage, guess what happens.
Those who don't approve of getting splashed with poo shouldn't
get that close to the cages,
and parents should warn their children that Chimpanzees fling Poo.
I DO feel that boorish behavior at sporting events is not NEAR the problem that killing innocent children with drones is,
and tend to prioritize THAT on my list of problems that need to be addressed.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)thank you for clarifying further. i appreciate it.
the point i was making is, it could be hooters, strippers or cheerleaders. but, in todays world of cyberbullying it is all over for no better reason than just being ugly.
but, thank you for your post. we keep it out of our home, also.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Very well said...
There are a million reasons to blame for people's boorish behavior... and not many people willing to agree that sometimes bad behavior is just...well...bad and uncalled for--especially in light of the fact that she was completely covered (this is Lambeau Field for gosh sakes) and a local college girl.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)The Packers welcome cheerleaders (who cheer out of love for the team and not financial compensation) from local colleges in WI. Most cheerleaders are in sweats (shiny sweats albeit) on game day at Lambeau Field with a pair of golden pom poms.
So...ummm... yeah.
For the record, here's the picture of this beautiful kid, "bared" for all to see:
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Q1x2231XGekthgrMP5O5lQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTMxMA--/
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)a true Wisconsin native and Packer fan.
ScreamingMeemie
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ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)You're good people.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)joeunderdog
(2,563 posts)Beautiful response.