he lost any chance of getting much sympathy from me.

I don't doubt that there were injustices committed, but murder crosses the line.

I don't think people pretending to do as he asks will be of much use, anyway. His creation of an enemies list and his work to eradicate his enemies shows that he would not be appeased by a few words.

Understanding motives should be part of solving a problem, don't you think?

I suspect he is past the point where a few comforting words from the press, and no amount of promises from hs former employer will help. He will continue killing until he is killed.

This will not end well.

in any meaningful sense of the word.

You can understand people who have a consistent or at least predictable sense of what's rational. That's not to say that they are in fact rational, but somebody who's suffered from paranoid delusions for example or schizophrenia is harder. They may have a rational sense in their own mind, but that doesn't mean anybody else can see the rational behind an action.

He may very well be telling the truth, but going off killing innocent people who have nothing to do with his grievances pretty much blows it.

Whatever accusations he made will just be blown off as those of a deranged killer. He wanted to expose injustice but committed injustices himself.

The guy has had a screw loose for some time. Trying to find meaning in his scribbles should start from that point forward.

But I think the chances of them bringing him in alive are exceedingly low. If one good thing comes out of this horrible ordeal, it's that perhaps people will have less tolerance for the awfulness that is the LAPD. If any organization needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, it's them.

no matter what the circumstances of his apprehension are...

It has no bearing on the crime at hand ether way, but nigger isn't a mean name, its a racial epithet with centuries of abuse shame and hate rolled into it.

I also remember the first time and each subsequent time I have been called a nigger to my face, stuff like that stands out.

Agreed. And in the larger scheme of things, I don't want to minimize or trivialize the use of that ugly pejorative. But Dorner is still enraged and seething about an incident which occurred in the first grade by another seven-year-old.

Maybe the LAPD should start screening for racist fucks, might do them a lot of PR good.

As the economy keeps getting worse and austerity gets rammed down our throats even more, I fear we're going to see more cases like this, of people snapping violently.

We need to talk about depression. We need to fix our healthcare system, really fix it, not this bullshit for profit scam we have going. And we need to bring back patient/therapist confidentiality. And we need to get away from this model that places profit over the well-being of our brothers and sisters.

He's obviously (no shit Catherina) not well and I fear many more are going to snap as things keep getting worse.

the "cosmic mirror" of social norms and see that we, as a nation, allow bullying and name-calling and absolute disrespect of others and it has become a sort of badge of honor to some who think that use of the latest "put down" is a like making points in a sporting event.

Our social make up is sick and that needs to be healed, big time. Until we, as a people, decide to make the social climate more hospitable and respectful toward others, we can continue to enrich the medical industrial complex as they faithfully search for a remedy to a surface symptom of a much deeper structure problem. This situation is clear evidence of the actual social ill we treat like the ten ton elephant in the room.

I'm saying that maybe if the LAPD just used this info to get him to surrender, maybe the killing ends. Is that so wrong?

I don't know what happened internally with his job at the LAPD, and honestly don't even think I care to at this point. Murdering an innocent young woman and her fiance, both of whom had nothing do with any of this, is simply inexcusable.

He's a dangerous murderer, nothing more.

But when someone decides to kill innocent people that's when I stop listening.

Were they not innocent? OK, they weren't killed, but easily could have been if the cops had better aim.

Does their motive matter?

And they have NOTHING TO DO WITH DORNER. IT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE ALTOGETHER.

Dorner is waging a one man insurgency, knowing that the LAPD as always will respond with overwhelming force and overreaction, this has gained him some sympathy and nobility in the eyes of a few.. there are FB and twitters posts out there already singing this murderers praises.

That the cops fired their weapons without knowing who or what they were shooting at is reprehensible. They should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. One does not justify the other.

I'm guessing you agree. The cops' motive was to find a killer. That is important to know, yes?

I read all 11K words. While Dorner is a troubled individual, what he wrote f LAPD was all but surprising.

What he wrote of his childhood perhaps should have screened him out of police work to begin with, but what he writes of LAPD tells me Rampart never ended. The Feds should look into it, perhaps federal department receivership is in order.

That does not justify murder, but explains it. Oh and his targets so far have not been accidental, LAPD, on the other hand, are.

I would sort of think that would be a bunch of people, no?

But I am sure you knew that.

There are folks who pass the initial psych, who later on departments admit should not. I will leave it at that.

But then we already know that.

They fit in far better with the psychological profile that PDs are looking for.

And I know the gods will smite me for this, but all I could think while I read was "Damn, this stuff is pretty good -- If you added this as a subplot to the movie 'Crash', that movie sucks a whole lot less..." I don't know why he didn't write a blog under a fake name, or sell some tell-all story or screenplay of his experiences with the LAPD and Navy Intel (even if he had to change names)... I don't know why he decided on this tragic course of action...

(full disclosure -- I've suffered from severe depression before, even to the brink of suicide, and the 'manifesto' read almost exactly like something I'd write, with the names/situations changed...Maybe that's why it strikes such a nerve with me....)

which I'm sure everyone has been waiting for: narcissistic personality disorder.

Not to say that those things didn't happen to them, and upset him, but the abnormal part is that he wrote that manifesto and went on that killing spree.

Don't forget that part. People really do not comprehend the reach of LAPD in so cal.

How does he imagine he will never be called that as a cop who get called all sorts of names I am sure.

Is he going to murder all citizens who say that to him?

Clearly the guy had a short fuse.

I see no difference.