Love homeopathy threads. Nothing at DU provides more laughs than someone trying to defend homeopathy.



And you know they'll be here soon.

Energy medicine!!

Sid

are the new "chemtrails threads" of DU!
You gotta fucking love them!

They are woonderful!

Whose peers think he's went insane.

How many people could he have helped had he not gone round the bend.

He wants money and ratings. He knows the words he reads from the teleprompter are bullshit.

The products he pimps on his show are ones his cronies market. Even when it's a known "junk science" premise if they think it'll fly long enough to make some cash he has them on and the sales fly.

Science does not depend on showmanship.

You would not believe the confidentiality agreements some of his cronies inflict on their employees. I can only imagine Dr. Oz requires the same.

It's a sham and they know it's a sham.

Any one who has a show or uses showmanship cant be trusted- unless they are Vegas magicians and or libertarian skeptics.

I already agree with everything in the OPs link to the Illusionist showman's website- so I think an exception is warranted in this case.

He knows better and is only doing this for money and ratings. As a doctor he ought to be held to a higher standard and the AMA and any organizations Dr. Oz belongs to should publicly disassociate themselves from him.

Fucking idiot he is.

Go back and look at how he tried to promote that charlatan from Brazil, John of Scammer.

Homeopathy has nothing to do with home remedies which often works -i.e. chicken soup.
Reminds me I have a friend who is very smart, but she quit her job to become an "energy doctor". My look of disbelief as she told me and tried to cure my negative energy has apparently come between our friendship of 40 years.

There is another thread going that shows exactly what homeopathy really is. Have a look, it will be the most enlightening 2 minutes of your day.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022334406

"there is another thread going...."

I have been on DU 10 years, this is the first time I have ever seen someone start a thread to promote their other thread. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.

Better post one in the lounge, too...and while you are at it, check Google news too....you might be able to make it in LBN!

some practitioner has recommended, even when they're hospitalized for something serious.

It's water, folks, and does no harm. Most docs realize it's triggering the placebo effect in the people who cling to it and just let them go on their merry way.

As long as they use it for minor complaints and use real medicine for the major stuff, there isn't much of a problem.

All it does is lighten their wallets and maybe give them a lift from the placebo effect.

I'm pretty sick of the pearl clutching on this issue. Placebo effect is real medicine, period. Until we understand and harness the power of the human brain, we're losing out on a lot of good help for a lot of good people in need.

What bugs the hell out of me is all the pearl clutching and hair pulling and screaming about something that doesn't concern anyone except the person involved. I'm really sick of fake outrage over non-issues.

Those of us who care about Science don't give a shit.

You do not understand what the placebo effect actually means in medicine nor the ethical issues surrounding its use.

And know what I do and do not know... I call that quackery of the lowest form.

You don't know jack about me or what I know... you are attempting to discredit with nonsense about something you cannot possibly know.

You can be as sick as you want as well.

as actual medical treatment with out patient knowledge is highly unethical.

Quacks who promote CAM as legit, but when backed into a corner, then try to pass it off as OK, because it's a placebo, are in fact, scoundrels.

This has been a subject of discussion in the medical field for decades... and the jury is still out. Telling someone they are receiving a placebo negates the effectiveness... that's what makes a placebo work.

It is unethical to give a placebo and not tell the patient.

The mere fact that the patient is told can negate the placebo effect... you have to believe it's going to work for it to work.

Google will show you how the debate is still on and how much of what has been said in this thread is balderdash.

There maybe many people out there on the outskirts of ethics that believe there is a "debate" or a "controversy", but no legitimate research institute or organization would allow a study that did not inform a participant that they might be receiving the placebo.

You are just plain wrong and if you believe it is OK to lie to people, you are also, I'm sorry to say, unethical.

after receiving homeopathic solutions, like Hyland's Baby Cold Tablets, teething tabs, etc.

The mom does, however.

and his nose stopped running. It was the first time he ever took pills and he didn't know that it was for his cold. I think that's a pretty objective measure?

Anecdotal? Positively. There is no way to know that those pills did anything, but every way to know that they didn't.

One persons anecdotal experience does not an objective claim make. Your nephew is hardly enough to claim "babies get better".

is more about the mental aspect. As you dilute the stuff 100 times, then dilute that 100 times or whatever, it is putting into your head that you are making medicine, you are healing, you are being cured. Each dilution repeating that message to your subconscious.

I looked into it many years ago and decided it is nothing more than that. I can see how the mixing or diluting could almost put you in a trance like state. Theta brain waves and all. Would almost work like prayers and rituals.

But if someone else mixes it, you are just buying water. No push of your message into your brain 100 x, then 100 times that, or whatever.

So I never bothered trying it and did not include it when I had a "new age" kind of store.

the earliest form of nanosizing. The same process is used to achieve the nanosized particles. It is not nonsense.

It has nothing to do with nanotechnology. It is utter nonsense with no scientific basis whatsoever.

www.currentscience.ac.in/Volumes/100/07/0977.pdf

the nanoparticles.

Ultrasonication or high speed stirring is used in creating lipid nanoparticles. One of the problems they have found is contamination by the metal containers.
Analysis of some homeopathic solutions has found glass nanoparticles - from the container it was shaken or vibrated in.

tried to open their minds to anything that would go against the quackery that passes for the American medical establishment.

i am a breast cancer survivor, and if i had listened to my first round of doctors, i may not have receoved the best treatment. my naturopath diagnosed my vitamin D deficiency, and accupuncture, reiki, and yoga all helped me deal with the side effects of treatment. i am not an advocate of homeopathy, however, blind faith in doctors and the medical establishment is not necessarily good for one's health or wll-being.

Sid

can't get enough oxygen.

3 times now alternatives have worked where conventional medicine was just treating the symptoms, and required return visits- or in one case surgery which was "required immediately" (he meant before I could get a second opinion).

Strangely enough, one doctor was not interested in hearing about why I wasn't going to re-book my bi-monthly visit, costing $200/mo. I can't begin to imagine why. And anyone that thinks Chiropractors are practicing a bunk science doesn't believe there is any connection between back pain and posture. They are making fools of themselves, while they think they are laughing at fools. Funny.

It's all about the $. The AMA Know$.

"anyone that thinks Chiropractors are practicing a bunk science doesn't believe there is any connection between back pain and posture."

No critics of Chiropractors believes any such BS statement.

You think practioners of big woo are not in it for the money? Why else would they be on TV with half hour infomercials hawking shit they know damn well doesn't work?

We have one neurologists in my city but over a dozen people practicing acupuncture and I'm supposed to believe they are not the charlatans trying to seperate fools from their money?

A whole bunch of times until it becomes a one layer thick surface of graphene.

Science... it doesn't work that way.

the nanoparticles.
That is the process to make homeopathic remedies and it is the process to make the many nanoparticles used in commerce today.

Scary, huh?

You are a taking a scientific term and trying to make it apply to homeopathy.

It is water with "vibrations" and "energy" added.

Considering that heart disease, diabetes and cancer rates in the US get lower every year, and considering that the US has the lowest rates of these diseases in the world, it is clear that the Republican owned Health corporations are keeping us healthier than any of these crazy hippie types ever could.

Libertarian skeptics know that Republican owned corporate science is making us healthier every year-by leaps & bounds- all any skeptic has to do is look at the stats. Even respected scientists like Penn & Teller or the Amazing Randi can tell you that.

Next time you need an oil change, bring your car to me. I will take a drop of your old oil, mix it with a gallon of water, shake it up, and then pour that into your car.

What, you wouldn't do that to your car yet suggest it is entirely plausible to do to your body?

Dont need ta. I stay healthy by taking thousands of dollars worth of safe, clean, Republican made pills.

I just know that Republican owned Health corporations have kept me healthier than any nutty liberal hippie ever could.

Saw it on the Penn & Teller, read it on the magician's website. Heard about it from the scientists who I am sure were NOT funded by Republican owned corporations.

Next time you get high cholesterol, I'll give you some Crestor. Hopefully it wont cause an allergic reaction that turns your brain into mush like it did when my father took it. Or howzabout some Lipitor- hopefully it wont make the hair fall out of your arms & legs and eyebrows like it did with my cousin.

Afterall, everyone knows that high cholesterol is caused when your body fails to produce enough crestor and or lipitor. Any respectable doctor obviously agrees.

Whatevah ya do-Dont listen to those crazy "homeo" hippies who tell you to lower it by eating more greens and shit. That wont work. That's not science.

Please stop with the whole Republican silly meme, for those who realize that CAM remedies are nonsense. Orrin Hatch is one of the idiots who pushed for more CAM shit and prevented the FDA from removing the asinine Homeopathy rules of 1938.

I have had two operations on my heart and I take generic lipitor. Much better then some silly extract that has been diluted 1:10^60 times.

You are also very confused. You claim I know nothing about homeopathy than your last statement is about eating greens and shit. Ummm every doctor knows that. In fact the silly hippies learned that from the doctors and scientists.

Which is what qualifies you to school me on how to be healthy- "Science style!"

Better to have your chest pried open and your heart cut-up than to do something extreme and untested, like eating a plant based diet or some other wooish, hippy nonsense.

That wouldnt be scientific. After all you tried it and it didnt work- right? Or maybe that was too extreme. Then you had your chest pried open.

But seriously- Yes-I am obviosuly very confused, despite the fact that my I lowered my cholesterol and high blood preassure to optimal levels by ignoring every word my former doctor said to me. No lipitor, no chest operations- not that my former doctor did not suggest it. Oh well, someone else can pay for his tee-times and donation to the GOP. You, perhaps?

I am obviously much healthier than you are, so that is enough for me.

Now- if I may switch back into character- I have to go- it's time for my scientifically approved, twice daily insulin shots. If I dont take it now, then I'll not balance out about the roast beef I'm going to eat (In moderation, of course). Science tells me it's the best protein, ya know!

I am discussing the Science of Homeopathy (ie lack of) and you are off in lala land talking about hippies and eating greens.

We are not on the same wavelength. Goodbye

or could you put a drop of new oil in a gallon of old oil and shake it?

Does it also work with coolant, brake, transmission, and power steering fluids?

Whoops- wrong thread.

Cars = everything.

Give sugar a try. Coolant is sweet so mix that up with some sugar and give it a shot.

it was supposed to be attached to the OP... sorry about that.

don't forget the magnets...

http://brimhall.com/p-31-10-multi-polar-magnets.aspx

in India and China.

I do not lump those in with homeopathy. I think homeopathy is woo-woo.