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Prediction: Hagel does not get confirmed (Original Post) oberliner Feb 2013 OP
Does this please you or concern you? abelenkpe Feb 2013 #1
I think he ought to be confirmed oberliner Feb 2013 #2
What a shitty excuse for a thread. MjolnirTime Feb 2013 #3
Thanks for sharing your insights! oberliner Feb 2013 #5
I disagree bluestateguy Feb 2013 #4
What do you make of the postponement of the vote? oberliner Feb 2013 #6
Not much bluestateguy Feb 2013 #12
Rumor mill going full-bore--final push to Bork him. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #7
So still an 87% chance (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #8
Intrade is all about trends usually oberliner Feb 2013 #10
Meh. That could be someone trying to game Intrade. winter is coming Feb 2013 #9
This is just a thought...... wandy Feb 2013 #11
Even these guys--who shop the Faux talk as often as not--are saying he will be confirmed: MADem Feb 2013 #13
Thomas Ricks' pointless speculation is probably behind the Intrade drop, too: TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #14
No, he'll get the nod. denverbill Feb 2013 #15
Message auto-removed KracevayaKoshka Feb 2013 #16
If you are right you will look very wise. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #17
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
2. I think he ought to be confirmed
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:26 PM
Feb 2013

Although, I think I could make some serious money on Intrade if they allowed US citizens to use that site betting against it.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. Thanks for sharing your insights!
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:34 PM
Feb 2013

I think it's worth getting a conversation going - be curious to hear if people think he will get confirmed or not.

Seems like decent fodder for a snowy day.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
4. I disagree
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:33 PM
Feb 2013

No Democrat has come out against him. He has 2 Republicans in his corner, John McCain has also said that he won't filibuster and:

Other Republicans also seemed wary of using the filibuster against Hagel, including Richard Burr, N.C., Susan Collins, Maine, Sen. Roy Blunt, Mo., Pat Roberts, R-Kan. and Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa.

http://www.salon.com/2013/02/05/mccain_opposes_chuck_hagel_filibuster/

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
9. Meh. That could be someone trying to game Intrade.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:37 PM
Feb 2013

I don't know whether he'll be confirmed or not, but I'm sure that if he isn't, it will be a huge story in the media about how the President doesn't have a mandate and is already a helpless lame duck and how the tea party is ascendant.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
11. This is just a thought......
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:55 PM
Feb 2013

The only contribution Tepublicans appear able to make in governing this country is OBSTRUCTION!
President Obama is an excellent chess player.

Is it possible that he nominates his second choice first. Lets the Teapublicans rant and rave. Then after they have once again made fools out of themselves, nominates his first choice second?

I know this sounds sneaky and underhanded and not presidential but you have to remember what Obama is dealing with.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. Even these guys--who shop the Faux talk as often as not--are saying he will be confirmed:
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:04 PM
Feb 2013
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/02/chuck-hagel-confirmation-vote/61867/

Hagel Will Be Confirmed Whenever the Senate Gets Around to Voting on Him


There's some number crunching down in the weeds....

I think that if the GOP stands in his way, it will go poorly for them. No one in Heartland America cares about his speaking fees or his comments about Israel--they just don't. What resonates with them is that:

a. He was an ENLISTED man--and these well-fed elitists are trying to keep the ENLISTED man down!

b. He's a Republican--so the Republicans who don't pay attention will see it as a pissing contest, and perhaps unfair, and the Democrats (the ones who aren't angry because POTUS nominated a Republican) will find their ire raised because "there's just no dealing with those assholes."

It's not a winner for them. They've got to be VERY worried about their Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex connections (and portfolios/bonuses/investment returns) to bump up against this--it has to be about their PERSONAL wealth, because it just makes them look bad when they try to wipe their asses on a war hero. They've got to weigh the pluses and minuses, because it's something that can come back to bite them--the opposition TV ad writes itself. They might find themselves challenged and booted if they push too hard.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
14. Thomas Ricks' pointless speculation is probably behind the Intrade drop, too:
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:07 PM
Feb 2013
http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/02/08/will_hagel_withdraw_i_d_say_50_50

Edit to add: Hagel is pretty tough. He has made it so far through the process, under the most unprecedented attacks and scrutiny, and an unfriendly media pushing the "poor performance" narrative and ignoring the massive and bizarre Israel elephant present at his hearing. I doubt he'd give up unless the President asked him to, or his family was threatened, or some truly terrible dirt came to light.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
15. No, he'll get the nod.
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:08 PM
Feb 2013

McCain still hates his guts for voting against him in 2008, but will still allow a vote. Republickers know they won't get away with filibustering all of Obama's nominees this term so they are saving their filibusters for the ones that really matter to their masters. Richard Cordrey, for example. Cordrey will be filibustered. Hagel will be allowed and very narrowly approved.

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