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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:05 PM Feb 2013

10- and 11-year-old boys planned to kill an ex-girlfriend and hurt seven others

COLVILLE, Wash. -- It was a young boy who tipped off teachers to weapons inside of his classmate’s backpack at Fort Colville Elementary School.

Justin Sanders says he doesn’t really know the fifth grade suspect accused of carrying a knife and gun, but they did ride the bus together. Justin, a fourth grader, says the boy tripped while getting off of the bus Thursday morning. The boy’s backpack spilled, allowing Justin to see the knife he carried in the bag.

“When I was on the bus, this one kid was getting off the bus,” Justin said. “And then he fell, his backpack opened, and a few sheets of paper fell out. There was also a knife.”

The long, green knife scared Justin, so he told a teacher immediately.

“In class, my teacher was crying and our art teacher, Mrs. Anderson, was crying,” he said. “The person I told has been calling me a hero a lot. It’s like everybody knows me and I have a lot of friends now.”

The Stevens Co. prosecutor said in court Friday the 10- and 11-year-old boys planned to kill an ex-girlfriend and hurt seven others. They were expelled for bringing the knife, as well as a gun and ammunition to school. Justin says the offer didn’t matter. He knew blowing the whistle was the right thing to do.

http://www.krem.com/news/Fourth-grade-hero-calls-alerting-school-to-weapons-to-right-choice-190520041.html

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marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
3. Put the parents or weapon oweners in jail
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:19 PM
Feb 2013

every time a kid comes to school with one.

You'd see a drop off in this.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
4. No question about it. But instead, the responsible gun owners are going to propose
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:25 PM
Feb 2013

gun classes in school - or some other measures that does not penalize the gun owner - in

3...2...1....

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
5. Or say
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:28 PM
Feb 2013

"It doesn't happen that often. Schools are very safe." And that we're crazy for being nervous sending our kids to school these days.

"It isn't that many kids" isn't a good argument IMO.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
12. I agree it's not comforting, but facts are facts
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:30 PM
Feb 2013

Kids in school today actually are much safer than we were.

That doesn't mean do nothing, but it does mean we should look at what's worked so well over the past 20 years.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
6. I don't see this as a story about guns at all
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:31 PM
Feb 2013

It is about the mental state of kids that young and why the hell did they plan on harming others (there was also a knife).

Owning a gun did not cause them to decide to do this, and until we start asking questions and trying to find answers this kind of thing will go on.

When we stop looking for causes and blaming pieces of metal instead we become like those in the old days who blamed things they didn't want to bother to try to explain on witchcraft/demons/etc.

Do we talk about guns when we mention bullying? If a bully had one that is all that would be talked about as though it were the cause, but people kids get bullied all the time.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
7. I agree that this is about the mental state of kids. But in this case, as in others,
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:47 PM
Feb 2013

the 10-year-old kid with the questionable mental state had a gun. By definition some adult did not secure that gun sufficiently. That changes the ramifications of the kids mental state from possibly very destructive, to probably deadly.

I agree that it is about the mental state of kids, but I disagree that it is not also about adults being irresponsible with guns.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
9. The article says that the gun was a stolen gun. I'm not sure it was any of the kids' parents weapon
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:21 PM
Feb 2013

It doesn't state that info clearly enough.. but saying stolen weapon would lead me to believe that it wasn't from the parents gun collection or the article would probably say that the kids took their parents weapon... Who knows?

What's creepiest about the story is that this retaliation was apparently over a break up with a girlfriend. Seriously, how a 4th/ 5th grade relatioship was the kid's breaking point, and why did a friend agree to help. Perhaps the kids is a sociopath?

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
11. Even if it was stolen, it still - by definition - was not secured sufficiently to prevent its being
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:29 PM
Feb 2013

used in a crime. So I still think the owner needs to be considered culpable, and receive punishment, whether it is the parent or someone else.

And yes. I agree. These kids are clearly quite disturbed, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that they have some kind of emotional disorder.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
10. Right here on DU we have what appears to be a majority arguing in favor of extrajudicial executions
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:27 PM
Feb 2013

I'm sure the support for such killings are even stronger throughout the rest of society.

What the fuck would you expect from a society that flushes all rules down the oubliette when those rules become inconvenient?

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