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marmar

(77,081 posts)
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:09 PM Feb 2013

Here’s the depressing reality of train travel in America


from Grist:



Here’s the depressing reality of train travel in America
By Sarah Laskow


Remember that beautiful map that imagined what the country’s high-speed rail network could look like? Well, in case you felt happy or optimistic after looking at it, here’s a map, via Atlantic Cities, that shows the depressing reality of American rail:



Those bubbles represent the ridership for various Amtrak stops around the country. It’s no secret that the Northeast Corridor line is the system’s most popular, but you can get a sense of how much more used it is than any other bit of the system. And long distance, cross-country lines? They barely register.

To a certain extent, the more popular stops just denote more populous areas. But that’s not the whole story, as Atlantic Cities explains:

Texas, for example, has three of America’s ten largest cities: Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio. But the inexplicable lack of a direct rail connection between Houston and Dallas makes the state look, on Hicks’ map, emptier than Missouri. In fact, the nation’s second-largest state had only 465,000 riders in 2012. Missouri, meanwhile, had 739,000.

Other states suffer from a similar routing problem. Ohio, though crossed by regional routes on its northern and southern borders, has no train at all connecting the state’s major cities. It has one-fifth the passenger train traffic of neighboring Michigan.


In other words, American rail is failing because it’s ass-backwards. ....................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://grist.org/list/heres-the-depressing-reality-of-train-travel-in-america/



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Here’s the depressing reality of train travel in America (Original Post) marmar Feb 2013 OP
No trains in South Dakota, Maine, Suich Feb 2013 #1
There are trains in southern Maine. Gormy Cuss Feb 2013 #7
The Amtrak Acela is awful kiri Feb 2013 #29
I love that I can take the train from Flint, MI to Chicago, and then all points west Siwsan Feb 2013 #2
An hour drive to Grand Rapids gets me anywhere Amtrak goes. longship Feb 2013 #3
Long distance, cross-country rail will never make sense. Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #4
I think it would make sense Lordquinton Feb 2013 #17
Agreed customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #45
There is no Reading Railroads Politicalboi Feb 2013 #5
I'm confused. Are you saying that rail travel can't work because there is no rail travel? n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #6
This is something I wish we, as a country, would invest in, in a big way. MADem Feb 2013 #8
Dogs and cats on trains? oberliner Feb 2013 #44
You put them in old pullmans at the end of the train--regular passengers don't MADem Feb 2013 #46
Maybe that could work oberliner Feb 2013 #47
I would rent a roomette and take the train in a heartbeat if they'd do this. MADem Feb 2013 #52
That seems pretty reasonable oberliner Feb 2013 #59
If you're in the pet car, you've agreed to put up with it! MADem Feb 2013 #61
Let me add that all the blue circles in PA are EXTREMELY misleading. NO train service, e.g., WinkyDink Feb 2013 #9
Service from Pittsburgh to state capitol about to be discontinued! Divernan Feb 2013 #38
Who wants actual citizens there, anyway? *sarcasm* WinkyDink Feb 2013 #68
The Portland-Boston train is enjoyable high density Feb 2013 #10
k & r stuntcat Feb 2013 #11
You cannot sleep on any of those "China-town" buses Yavin4 Feb 2013 #25
Notice the lack of connections between California and the Mountain West. ellisonz Feb 2013 #12
I traveled on Amtrak last week thru the Los Angeles station where I had a three hour wait for a bus. vanlassie Feb 2013 #13
In Texas I think there is method to their madness. Downwinder Feb 2013 #14
How about, compare the map to population centers? brooklynite Feb 2013 #15
Up here 2naSalit Feb 2013 #55
We did 2 complete circle tours of the whole marybourg Feb 2013 #16
Long distance train travel is not preferred at this time because it costs as much as a plane alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #18
That is so true. RebelOne Feb 2013 #19
I agree that the time/price ratio is the real problem. Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #23
But I think many rail riders in the US defacto7 Feb 2013 #57
The existing rail system is not designed with passenger traffic in mind. Gore1FL Feb 2013 #20
Dear Amtrak--concussions come with every ride kiri Feb 2013 #27
wow...great post ! So, what is the problem? the tracks? We took Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #40
What my part of the West lacked was north-south service Warpy Feb 2013 #21
Zero passenger service to Las Vegas... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #22
More insane fashion sense than WalMart? Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #24
These are the types who consider this to be "fine art"... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #31
Thanks for the laugh. Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #35
Not if you understand that Elvis is God. SunSeeker Feb 2013 #41
JC looks like he has a bit of "aura envy" happening there, too--check out that sideways glance! nt MADem Feb 2013 #48
I don't blame him. Curmudgeoness Feb 2013 #67
I should be able to travel from Nashville to any where, dammit. Lars39 Feb 2013 #26
I've never been on a train.. Permanut Feb 2013 #28
Trains are great.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #36
Cool.. Permanut Feb 2013 #37
I saw them going through Battle Creek.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #39
Coolest post of my day!!!!! nt MADem Feb 2013 #49
The last one is barely visible... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #65
I long to go West on the Train from Florida kmlisle Feb 2013 #30
I see jobs, jobs, jobs, and a new green transportation infrastructure. NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #32
There is not much along I-45 between Houston and Dallas FarCenter Feb 2013 #33
It is by nineteen50 Feb 2013 #34
how much of the $700B in Stimulus quadrature Feb 2013 #42
I absolutely agree that there needs to be more and better train service across this country. SheilaT Feb 2013 #43
Makes me want to cry. Mira Feb 2013 #50
We're actually thinking of taking a train trip this summer Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #51
I assume that you will have a private room w/bathroom. juajen Feb 2013 #56
We're in th preliminary planning stages, Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #58
The Empire Builder route is great... whistler162 Feb 2013 #62
We need ultra high speed evacuated tube transport and rigid frame airships. n/t Ian David Feb 2013 #53
Preaching to the choir here. Lone_Star_Dem Feb 2013 #54
I rode Denver to Chicago recently CabalPowered Feb 2013 #60
:( woo me with science Feb 2013 #63
that route I took in 1990 must no longer exist hfojvt Feb 2013 #64
Build more infastructure. Create jobs. Help business grow. upi402 Feb 2013 #66

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
7. There are trains in southern Maine.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:37 PM
Feb 2013

The Amtrak line is called the Downeaster (Portland area-NH-Boston) and is extremely popular. There's a bubble for it on that map.

kiri

(794 posts)
29. The Amtrak Acela is awful
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:06 PM
Feb 2013

Dear Amtrak,
Yesterday I rode the Acela train from Washington, DC to Boston. Business class, Quiet car.

This was the worst train trip I ever took.

For 7½ hours, I was jerked, bumped, bounced beyond description. Amtrak should provide a free brain scan to check for concussion with every Acela ticket. After 7½ hours, it turns a brain to mush.

It is impossible to read a book or a computer screen. No one's eyes can follow the constant bumps. No one can type an email--you never know what key will be hit. I tried, and I spent another hour trying to correct the bump-mistakes.

In addition, we had to put up with a high-pitched whine or whistle that came from above.

I am not sure whether my kidneys and bowels will ever recover from this.

In any Western European country, such a lousy train would be a national embarrassment. In China or Japan, such a train would lead to the resignation of the Minister of Transport. And I know this, because I have been on trains in all these places.

I used to be a supporter of Amtrak and high-speed rail service. The Acela has changed my mind 180 degrees. It is clear that anyone who rides in Acela is likely to come away believing that high-speed rail is like the Acela. This does enormous damage. Acela is a grotesque example of decent rail service.

The Acela is a poster for bad trains. For the sake of human kind, it should be banned immediately as a health threat. And for the sake of decent rail travel, it must be stopped.

Siwsan

(26,268 posts)
2. I love that I can take the train from Flint, MI to Chicago, and then all points west
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:18 PM
Feb 2013

I've taken about 6 cross country train trips and it's absolutely my favorite way to travel.

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. An hour drive to Grand Rapids gets me anywhere Amtrak goes.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:24 PM
Feb 2013

Taken it many times, once from LA to New York (state). Many times between Chicago and Detroit.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
4. Long distance, cross-country rail will never make sense.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:28 PM
Feb 2013

But I would love a high-speed rail link between New York and Chicago.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
17. I think it would make sense
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:21 PM
Feb 2013

though it would be more of a weird W shaped system, than a nice big line from one end to another.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
45. Agreed
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:55 PM
Feb 2013

It takes a fairly long time to get across the country by train, and so much less time in an aircraft. I do intend to do it, though, in my retirement, when I have plenty of time on my hands.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
5. There is no Reading Railroads
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:29 PM
Feb 2013

That takes you to Philly. I was surprised to find no trains that went from the airport at Philly to Reading Pa. I know Reading Pa isn't a real nice place, but if you get off a plane at night, you better have a car rental, or stay the night at the bus station. They don't have buses at night. And they don't have a bus station at the airport. You have to taxi into Philly for that.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
8. This is something I wish we, as a country, would invest in, in a big way.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:38 PM
Feb 2013

Even if not every line is high speed, I wish there were more lines and more options. I think they should take the old Pullman sleepers and put them on the end of the car, rent them out to pet owners, and allow people to bring their pets along--a few wee wee pads and a travel cage would enable pet owners to manage quite nicely, and they could sleep with their dog or cat at night. Even with size limitations on pets, this would triple train travel to FL--a lot of old folks I know only drive a car (and hate doing it) because of a pet. They'd be on that auto-train in a heartbeat if they could keep Fluffy in their cabin with them!

We could easily do better, and we should!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. You put them in old pullmans at the end of the train--regular passengers don't
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:44 AM
Feb 2013

have to even see them. People who want to travel with their animals must purchase a roomette.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
47. Maybe that could work
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:48 AM
Feb 2013

I'm highly allergic which is why the idea does not thrill me - but I can see how this would be good for animal lovers.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
52. I would rent a roomette and take the train in a heartbeat if they'd do this.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:02 AM
Feb 2013

I would travel more by train and less by car. They wouldn't even have to use the newer cars--an old roomette is fine w/me. I'd just like to be able to travel with the dogs on public transportation.

And they could easily just make a few rules--no animals in the corridors, gotta keep 'em in their crates getting on and off, that kind of thing. Put linoleum on the roomette floors, supply each one with a few "wee wee" pads, and there ya go.

I wouldn't think letting them mingle with passengers is a good move anyway--too much liability. But locked in a roomette, safe with their owners? Just the ticket!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
59. That seems pretty reasonable
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:08 AM
Feb 2013

I can imagine issues though with dogs barking while passengers are trying to sleep on long overnight routes. But I guess there is the same sort of issue with unruly passengers and whatnot.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
61. If you're in the pet car, you've agreed to put up with it!
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:31 AM
Feb 2013

And they could always put a baggage car or snack bar between the pet cars and the rest of the train--that would offer a bit of distance.

I'd think most pets would be soothed so long as their owner was with them, and they could sleep together or at least in the same roomette.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
9. Let me add that all the blue circles in PA are EXTREMELY misleading. NO train service, e.g.,
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:41 PM
Feb 2013

in the Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton area.

high density

(13,397 posts)
10. The Portland-Boston train is enjoyable
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:45 PM
Feb 2013

Unfortunately it takes at minimum forty five minutes longer than the bus because of its L-shaped route, combined with the slow speed of the tracks. I definitely take it more for comfort than convenience. I think it would be transformative for Southern Maine if they could get this route down from the scheduled 2.5 hour ride to one hour.

stuntcat

(12,022 posts)
11. k & r
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:47 PM
Feb 2013

I live in that NE part, I take the train from DC to NY about once a year, I'm lucky it's so easy.
There's also a "China-town" bus that some people take which sounds like a great deal, it's cheaper than the train, but I never feel safe on highways. But the people I know who've taken this bus have done it lot of times, with no problem of course. Ugh, I dunno, highways scare me more than train tracks. But my husband was in a train wreck once! I always think that's cool, being able to say you survived a train wreck! "Train Wreck".. that's dramatic!

anyway yah k & r

Yavin4

(35,441 posts)
25. You cannot sleep on any of those "China-town" buses
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:58 PM
Feb 2013

Not because of the passengers or the bus itself. No. It's because of the poor condition of the highway. Every 15 minutes or so, the bus hits a big pothole which jars you awake.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
12. Notice the lack of connections between California and the Mountain West.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:55 PM
Feb 2013

A high-speed rail line network between San Francisco, Los Angeles and Las Vegas would surely do well.

vanlassie

(5,675 posts)
13. I traveled on Amtrak last week thru the Los Angeles station where I had a three hour wait for a bus.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:01 PM
Feb 2013

I could not believe how attentive and friendly the red caps were. They kept stopping by where I was sitting, asking how I was doing... when was my connection.... did I need any help?
.
.
.
.
.
Then I realized that I had accidentally sat in some seats for the disabled.
I must say, it was quite pleasant. As was the train.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
14. In Texas I think there is method to their madness.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:06 PM
Feb 2013

The are afraid those who don't drive will descend on them in Austin. They tried hard enough to keep us from voting.

brooklynite

(94,592 posts)
15. How about, compare the map to population centers?
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:20 PM
Feb 2013

I don't disagree that the US would be better off with more train service, but how much ridership (and how many stations) would you expect to find in the Mohave Desert, or Rocky Mountains, or Texas farm country?

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
55. Up here
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:47 AM
Feb 2013

In Montana I have to drive five hours to get to a terminal to get on, then it tales days to get anywhere. Used to be able to get on in SE Idaho but that terminal was closed down many years ago. I have taken a few trips on the trains... Sand Diego to Boston and back; from Portland. OR to SLC and to San Diego on different trips.

But the the last one, SLC to San Diego was the worst I ever had to endure-and I had to drive two hours to get there from where I was in Idaho at the time. Left SLC at something like 2am, I went to sleep for a while and when I woke up, we were sitting still in the middle of Nevada waiting for a signal because a freighter was running late due to some train wreck in CA. I was traveling with my nephew, by the time we got to Sacramento we were seven hours off schedule. They put us on a bus and drove us to Emeryville to catch the N/S connector that runs down the valley, that stopped in every little town along the length of central CA, we sat on hard plastic seats like at a stadium, and dropped us in Bakersfield at 1am so we could wait an hour for another bus that took us to LA and then to San Diego where, at least, they dropped us across the street from the trolley so we could get to the part of San Diego county we were trying to get to. It was just horrid.

Before that experience, I actually liked taking the train instead of driving, I won't fly anymore since W got into office.

If we had a better rail service and accessibility, I would sure use it... otherwise, I'd rather just drive the whole way.

marybourg

(12,633 posts)
16. We did 2 complete circle tours of the whole
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:20 PM
Feb 2013

country on Amtrak, using all four of the east- west routes. It was an incredible experience.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
18. Long distance train travel is not preferred at this time because it costs as much as a plane
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:25 PM
Feb 2013

and takes many times longer. Chicago to Cleveland on the train takes 15 hours. You can fly it in an hour. If those cost the same, or even if the flight is close, nobody is going to do that. Multiply the same problem many times for New York to Atlanta, Milwaukee to Seattle, and etc.

We need high speed rail. We don't have anything like it.

And yes, it is depressing.

That said, I almost always prefer rail to flight in the Northeast corridor. The trains are on time and clean and easy and the travel is more enjoyable. If we could replicate that with fast trains, people would take them.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
19. That is so true.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:45 PM
Feb 2013

I took a train from Mismi, FL, to Philadelphia, PA, many years ago. I had a totally private compartment with bed, toilet and all the amenties for the same cost as a plane flight. But I enjoyed the train ride much more than a plane flight.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
23. I agree that the time/price ratio is the real problem.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:55 PM
Feb 2013

The powers-that-be always point to how people "do not want to ride by rail", when that is not the real issue. And we will never know if there is no high-speed rail to show them that they are wrong.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
57. But I think many rail riders in the US
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:09 AM
Feb 2013

ride the train because they are afraid to fly. They don't want to fly and this is the way they can get around, therefore the price accommodates non-fliers.

I used to love riding trains back in the 60's. I remember taking the Empire Builder from Seattle?? to Chicago as a kid. I'd ride in the dome car the whole time. Great memory.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
20. The existing rail system is not designed with passenger traffic in mind.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:46 PM
Feb 2013

It's not ass-backwards. It's a freight infrastructure. The freight lines are not failing. They are doing quite well.

The high-speed rail won't follow freight paths.

kiri

(794 posts)
27. Dear Amtrak--concussions come with every ride
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:04 PM
Feb 2013

Dear Amtrak,
Yesterday I rode the Acela train from Washington, DC to Boston. Business class, Quiet car.

This was the worst train trip I ever took.

For 7½ hours, I was jerked, bumped, bounced beyond description. Amtrak should provide a free brain scan to check for concussion with every Acela ticket. After 7½ hours, it turns a brain to mush.

It is impossible to read a book or a computer screen. No one's eyes can follow the constant bumps. No one can type an email--you never know what key will be hit. I tried, and I spent another hour trying to correct the bump-mistakes.

In addition, we had to put up with a high-pitched whine or whistle that came from above.

I am not sure whether my kidneys and bowels will ever recover from this.

In any Western European country, such a lousy train would be a national embarrassment. In China or Japan, such a train would lead to the resignation of the Minister of Transport. And I know this, because I have been on trains in all these places.

I used to be a supporter of Amtrak and high-speed rail service. The Acela has changed my mind 180 degrees. It is clear that anyone who rides in Acela is likely to come away believing that high-speed rail is like the Acela. This does enormous damage. Acela is a grotesque example of decent rail service.

The Acela is a poster for bad trains. For the sake of human kind, it should be banned immediately as a health threat. And for the sake of decent rail travel, it must be stopped.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
40. wow...great post ! So, what is the problem? the tracks? We took
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:04 PM
Feb 2013

the high speed train in France...and it was absolutely dreamy. We had privacy, super comfortable seats, a table, and servers who brought lunch/snacks and drinks. It was so comfortable we fell asleep.

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
21. What my part of the West lacked was north-south service
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:47 PM
Feb 2013

If you want to go from NM to Denver, you have to go east or west, then north, and then back the way you came.

NM got its first (and only) high speed passenger train a few years ago, service between Santa Fe and exurbs to the south. Every time gas prices go up, ridership jumps. It's going to be the salvation of the exurbs as gas prices keep going up. Both Texas and Colorado have made noises about extending it north and south but no commitments have been made as yet. The next time gas goes to five bucks a gallon, maybe something will get built.

Light rail is also something that's underused and could solve a lot of the problems around the country.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
22. Zero passenger service to Las Vegas...
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:52 PM
Feb 2013

They used to have the "Gamblers Special" between LA and Vegas.

That train boasted some of the most insane fashion sense on the planet.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
35. Thanks for the laugh.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:16 PM
Feb 2013

I needed that.

I especially love the aura around Elvis, but not Jesus. I think that is blasphemy. Or should be.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
48. JC looks like he has a bit of "aura envy" happening there, too--check out that sideways glance! nt
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:48 AM
Feb 2013

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
67. I don't blame him.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:47 PM
Feb 2013

I would be a little miffed too if Elvis was more esteemed than the Son of God, who is also God.

Permanut

(5,610 posts)
28. I've never been on a train..
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:04 PM
Feb 2013

My Sweetie found out, and bought me a ticket. So, at 67 years of age, I'm going to take my first train trip next week, from Portland Oregon to Seattle and back. Always wanted to go, but just never did. Course I didn't get to Disneyland until I was 48, so I'm not exactly on the cutting edge of progress.

Permanut

(5,610 posts)
37. Cool..
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:30 PM
Feb 2013

Never seen anything like this. Saw one sitting idle in Skagway, Alaska, but never seen one in action. Thanks Spitfire!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
65. The last one is barely visible...
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:13 PM
Feb 2013

It's a rotary snowplow.



The railroads have been clearing snow this way for over a hundred years.



kmlisle

(276 posts)
30. I long to go West on the Train from Florida
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:10 PM
Feb 2013

But to go West you first have to go East and then back West again. Its ridiculous. There is even a schedule for N Fla (Live Oak) to New Orleans but the line is closed down.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
33. There is not much along I-45 between Houston and Dallas
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:11 PM
Feb 2013

And there is not much along I-10 between Houston and San Antonio.

OTOH, there are a number of small cities between San Antonio and Dallas.

So the San Antonio to Dallas corridor along I-35 is the best place to improve rail in Texas.

I'd like to see the corridor from Portland, ME to Atlanta, GA improved. As noted above, it is slow from Portland to Boston. Once you get below Richmond, it is pretty poor through the rest of VA, NC and SC.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
43. I absolutely agree that there needs to be more and better train service across this country.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:36 PM
Feb 2013

Keep in mind how incredibly large this country is. All of western Europe could fit into the eastern half of this country with room left over. Our distances are only matched by Russia or China. Which is not a real excuse not to fund decent train service in this country. Passenger train service. As it currently stands, freight has priority. Several years back I took the train from Kansas City to St. Louis. The drive takes three or four hours. A flight is one hour. The train takes 5 hours, 40 minutes according to the schedule. But there had been heavy rains the day before and parts of the track were washed out, and because freight takes priority we kept on being put off on various sidings to let freight trains pass. It took about nine hours to complete the trip.

I am hoping to take a major across the country train trip in June, and I can only hope I don't run into bad weather and get delayed a couple of days. But I truly hate to fly anymore because of the b.s. with the TSA. I'm beginning to be tempted to drive, all the way from New Mexico to DC to attend a wedding.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
50. Makes me want to cry.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:59 AM
Feb 2013

It is only one, but a significant one, bit of proof of how we are putting first things last.
It is shameful how our citizens are cheated.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
51. We're actually thinking of taking a train trip this summer
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:00 AM
Feb 2013

just for fun. Fly to Seattle, take the train to Chicago, fly to Denver to see our daughter and family, and then fly back to AK. I'm thinking that north plains route might be nice since I've never been to those states.


It really is kind of a sparse-looking map, though.

juajen

(8,515 posts)
56. I assume that you will have a private room w/bathroom.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:56 AM
Feb 2013

I loved the train trip I finally took, from Greenville, SC to New Orleans. Even the bumpy ride didn't bother me; however, the bathrooms were almost unbearable. The swinging back and forth by the train made it nearly impossible for urine to stay where it belonged. So, all of you be warned that the bathrooms are an experience. Amtrak could improve the quality of the ride immeasurably by improving the bathrooms.

However, it was wonderful watching the excitement of the people who were seeing NOLA for the first time. Most of them thought that Lake Ponchartrain was the ocean. It is huge and you cannot see shore in the distance. I loved getting to know people on the train, as I left my seat and went into the lounge where I could get coffee and play cards and watch the scenery as it skated by.

I really loved it. My late husband and I wanted to go so badly, but he couldn't make it, so I made it for both of us. Incidentally, I hummed City of New Orleans all the way in to NOLA. The Super Dome was a sight to see. I have become as fond of South Louisiana as a native. I have lived here almost thirty years. It is home. I was picked up by one of my children for the drive into Lafayette. You can travel to Lafayette by train, but it requires an overnight in New Orleans. Didn't want to wait that long.

I highly recommend this American experience before they do away with the wonderful passenger trains in this country. What a shame, and what a boost it would be if we could travel all over the country by rail.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
62. The Empire Builder route is great...
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:40 AM
Feb 2013

took that a few years ago after taking the train to San Francisco then to Portland. Summer should be great, I took it in the fall.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
54. Preaching to the choir here.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:32 AM
Feb 2013

I hate that I can't take a train to see my family on the west coast, but I can to see my family in the east.

Flying is such a nuisance these days, not to mention environmentally bad, and not everyone has the stamina for a 24 hour drive anymore. Besides, I like trains. They remind of me if stories my G-grand father used to share.

CabalPowered

(12,690 posts)
60. I rode Denver to Chicago recently
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:17 AM
Feb 2013

..in a sleeper compartment. The track conditions were horrendous. It was like sleeping in the back of 4WD navigating a jeep trail.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
64. that route I took in 1990 must no longer exist
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:05 PM
Feb 2013

I took a train then from Lincoln, NE to Portland, Oregon, and I am pretty sure we did not go through Denver. But with no people getting off in Boise, I am thinking that route is not there any more.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
66. Build more infastructure. Create jobs. Help business grow.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:17 PM
Feb 2013

I see potential.

But no... we need austerity so the rich can dodge taxes and loot tax dollars from the treasury....

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