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ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:00 PM Feb 2013

LAPD to reopen probe into firing of ex-cop suspected in three slayings

February 9, 2013 | 6:19 pm
-- Andrew Blankstein and Cindy Chang

Los Angeles police announced Saturday that it would reopen the investigation into the firing of Christopher Jordan Dorner from the LAPD, apparently prompting Dorner's vengeful rampage that has left three people dead.

Chief Charlie Beck is reopening the investigation because he wants “to insure the public that the LAPD is fair and transparent,” Cmdr. Andrew Smith said at a late-afternoon news conference at LAPD’s headquarters downtown.

Dorner was stripped of his badge in 2009 after a police disciplinary board found him guilty of making false statements against his training officer, Teresa Evans. In August 2007, Dorner accused Evans of kicking a mentally ill man during an arrest in San Pedro.

The internal affairs investigation concluded that she had not kicked the man and that Dorner’s statements were false.

More: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/los-angeles-police-will-reopen-investigation-into-firing-of-ex-cop-suspected-in-three-slayings.html


Statement by Chief Beck: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/602469-nr13040sf-chief-becks-statement-regarding-dorner.html

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LAPD to reopen probe into firing of ex-cop suspected in three slayings (Original Post) ellisonz Feb 2013 OP
It's a little too late for that, isn't it? derby378 Feb 2013 #1
Well he wants an apology... ellisonz Feb 2013 #3
Yes, that was his main demand, wasn't it? To clear his name? Thanks for the links. freshwest Feb 2013 #10
Yes indeed. ellisonz Feb 2013 #13
And I'm sure he's watching the news all the time, too. He knows this is happening. freshwest Feb 2013 #17
It's a win-win for LAPD. n/t ellisonz Feb 2013 #18
Makes me think the LAPD has some smart psychologists or something? I'm not sure if this is typical. freshwest Feb 2013 #21
I wouldn't say it's exactly standard. ellisonz Feb 2013 #24
More like trying to get out of a lose-lose. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #38
It doesn't look to me as if he is going to get an apology..... robinlynne Feb 2013 #28
I agree it's pretty doubtful. ellisonz Feb 2013 #29
What if...they find they got Rampart 2 on their hands? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #4
The LAPD are chaning the narrative. libertypirate Feb 2013 #39
Ok...I shared this with hubby nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #2
Forgot to recommend nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #5
Yay for new developments. ellisonz Feb 2013 #6
And if they find he had grounds to have people on the BOR nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #7
Agreed. ellisonz Feb 2013 #8
This is the kind of crisis that makes or breaks a chief. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #9
I think Bratton lied the other night too. ellisonz Feb 2013 #12
why do you say that? Don't you think direct commands were given about how and when to shoot? robinlynne Feb 2013 #31
No rather ellisonz Feb 2013 #33
He said he didn't remember the coin? 2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #35
ohh. I misunderstood. robinlynne Feb 2013 #37
I just watched the CNN 2naSalit Feb 2013 #11
Wasn't it the testimony of the victim? dkf Feb 2013 #23
I'm not sure what it was 2naSalit Feb 2013 #25
a bit off topic but wonder how true this is ? steve2470 Feb 2013 #14
I'd hope LAPD has better things to do than censor twitter. ellisonz Feb 2013 #15
I agree nt steve2470 Feb 2013 #16
I'm sure they don't... But let's *go there* for a second... freshwest Feb 2013 #20
If true, they believe it might give info to Dorner nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #19
I don't know what they expect to find that the appeals court overlooked. dkf Feb 2013 #22
Or they intend to do some artful editing...(nt) 2naSalit Feb 2013 #26
Chief Beck is a piece of shit. They only want this man dead Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #27
He wants to "insure the public"? HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #30
I read the entire manifesto... kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #32
Kick pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #34
Villaragosa looked like he ate a bug last night. bemildred Feb 2013 #36
Please elaborate. Thank you. eom ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2013 #40
Nothing to elaborate on, he was nervous and unhappy. bemildred Feb 2013 #41
What I meant was did he look like he swallowed a bug because ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2013 #42
Scared was what I got, but otherwise nothing special. bemildred Feb 2013 #43
I suspect his burning truck was part of his overall plan of action and ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2013 #44
I given up trying to figure it out, I'm waiting for the next sighting. bemildred Feb 2013 #45

derby378

(30,252 posts)
1. It's a little too late for that, isn't it?
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:06 PM
Feb 2013

What are they going to do, exonerate him for the firing that could have sent him down the path of anger until it ended in deadly violence? How's that going to work out?

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
3. Well he wants an apology...
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:09 PM
Feb 2013

...so maybe he'll get it and no one else will have to die for this whackjobs ego?

Sounds like a good call to me

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
13. Yes indeed.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:55 PM
Feb 2013

I think that's one of the more overlooked aspects of his manifesto - it's all about him.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
17. And I'm sure he's watching the news all the time, too. He knows this is happening.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:22 AM
Feb 2013

If nothing else, maybe he won't kill some other person, even if he doesn't turn himself in.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
21. Makes me think the LAPD has some smart psychologists or something? I'm not sure if this is typical.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:54 AM
Feb 2013

It may be standard negotiating for getting out hostages, or bringing someone in. I don't usually follow crime stories except whatever hits DU, and certainly don't know much about this one. I'm also just about media blind by not having teevee and radio, so the way these things are being handled are new to me.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
24. I wouldn't say it's exactly standard.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:10 AM
Feb 2013

Clearly, this came from the top of LAPD and is being done for both practical and political reasons.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
38. More like trying to get out of a lose-lose.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:48 PM
Feb 2013

LAPD's reputation is so tarnished they almost have to do this. The chief himself said as much.

Dorner has really caused a light to be shined on LA's nastiest gang.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
29. I agree it's pretty doubtful.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:45 AM
Feb 2013

But it a the very least may put him on a slightly on a different footing (if he's still alive and monitoring the media).

libertypirate

(2,677 posts)
39. The LAPD are chaning the narrative.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:50 PM
Feb 2013

And buy the public's support through their 1 million dollar bribe. This is all about saving hundreds of millions in lawsuits, which is fruitless at this point.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
2. Ok...I shared this with hubby
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:09 PM
Feb 2013

Chuckles all around.

Then we started talking of what might seriously be going on? Truth is always stranger than fiction.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
7. And if they find he had grounds to have people on the BOR
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:24 PM
Feb 2013

Dismissed for conflict of interest, we call that a can of worms. I suspect part of it might be a slew of FOIAs from the likes of Anderson Cooper. Easy to cow local reporters, national based in another state, not so much.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
8. Agreed.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:35 PM
Feb 2013

I would add though and knowing full well that I'm likely to be flamed for it, that Chief Charlie Beck is doing a solid job as LAPD Chief. I much prefer him to even Bratton.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. This is the kind of crisis that makes or breaks a chief.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:42 PM
Feb 2013

And IMO Bratton creatively lied n CNN the other night.

He still has a can of worms with the two shootings, one putting one woman n ICU. I expect LA City to quietly settle. They want as little of this in the courts.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
12. I think Bratton lied the other night too.
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:53 PM
Feb 2013

I think it's fair to say though that this mess is not Beck's making and this step is a good one in attempting to resolve it. Those police officers fucked up - but they didn't fuck up because of something that the brass did.

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
31. why do you say that? Don't you think direct commands were given about how and when to shoot?
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:19 AM
Feb 2013

Do you think two different trucks were shot up by "rogue" cops? 43 bullets in the blue truck?

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
33. No rather
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:40 AM
Feb 2013

That Bratton claimed to not recall any particulars of Dorner's review board and discharge or meeting him when he gave him the coin. I find it hard that someone like Bratton would not be able to recollect anything at all about this and I thought he was concealing his thoughts about the ramifications of this scrutiny in terms of his actions.

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/08/ac360-video-chief-bratton-on-dorner-package-sent-to-andersoncooper-and-cnn/?iref=allsearch

Bratton said that he reviews hundreds of cases every year, but how many of those result in termination?

I think I misread what Nadin was writing (and she was unclear) - Bratton does not have a can of worms with the shooting - he has a can of worms with LAPD re-opening this investigation - he signed off on its conclusion, he would certainly be relevant to its further investigation.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
35. He said he didn't remember the coin?
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 07:14 AM
Feb 2013

I thought I read a story about the things sent to Anderson Cooper and the coin, now with bullet holes was in there. I thought the story said that the guy who gave him the coin felt odd or something seeing it all shot up like that.

Or something like that. It may be someone else. I will try to find the story to see if it is indeed this guy that doesn't remember it now.

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
11. I just watched the CNN
Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:51 PM
Feb 2013

spots and I have to wonder at the former chief's comments and what the items in AC's package, like what's on that CD?

I think that the detectives who shot those women in that car were hoping for some prize for getting Dorner, they want him dead and asap so he has no voice. Only thing is, I think he chumped them really badly by sending that package. I would really like to see what's on that CD/DVD that he sent to AC. And he may be way smarter than half the guys looking for him. I bet he's not where they think he is. maybe he's on his way to wherever that former LAPD chief is to help him with his story-telling issues. Just a speculation...

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
25. I'm not sure what it was
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:21 AM
Feb 2013

I don't recall that they said in the one and a half segments that I watched. I was thinking to myself that it might be but I didn't feel like it was really addressed. AC was all about the coin with the bullet wounds from what I could tell. I wonder if he was even allowed to see it, in the news clip he said he hadn't seen any of the item personally. Bet that CD/DVD is at FBI properties now. The writing on it said something about it being the evidence for his exoneration...

You're probably correct though.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
14. a bit off topic but wonder how true this is ?
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:08 AM
Feb 2013

Anonymous ?@Occupythemob

RT @Twitter caught censoring #Dorner hashtag at request of #LAPD. Nice job Twitter. #ThingsYouShouldntDo http://thenextweb.com/twitter/2012/01/27/twitter-isnt-censoring-you-your-government-is/ … #Anonymous

at: https://twitter.com/search?q=Dorner&src=typd

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
20. I'm sure they don't... But let's *go there* for a second...
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:50 AM
Feb 2013

Especially since the RonPaul.com story broke. The evil gummit scared twitter, the eternal 'friend of liberty.' Like twitter wasn't set up to sell information to anyone, private or public all the time.

It's naive to think the social networking sites value our privacy in organizing our personal, so called private, networks. That's the stuff of movies, that they can't get any of it. They're voluntary contracts with info given freely and sold freely.

It's a business, they'd sell your name for a nickel. RonPaul.com is gonna sell their 170K patriots' information to the highest bidder - going price right now is a little over a dollar a head. Rather cheap, huh.

They'll turn anyone on or off on a whim. Meh!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. If true, they believe it might give info to Dorner
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:34 AM
Feb 2013

But they mst realize, after occupy, hundreds of other hash tags will emerge.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
22. I don't know what they expect to find that the appeals court overlooked.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:57 AM
Feb 2013

Unless they are going to say the two hotel employees were coerced into their testimony.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
27. Chief Beck is a piece of shit. They only want this man dead
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:29 AM
Feb 2013

and this may be an attempt to flush him into the open in hopes of sharing his story. I read a tweet, unconfirmed, that some 50 LAPD officers have protection assigned to their homes. They're afraid? Now they know how Rodney King felt, how the poor and people of color feel, even how activists feel when they come around.


"Officers beat a homeless man for eating sunflower seeds on San Julian Street as onlookers plead for them to stop. Man is subsequently taken away in an ambulance."




"Los Angeles Police body SLAM 5' 4" woman after cell phone infraction-stop Aug 28 2012"




Cop repeatedly batons OccupyLA member who is being restrained upon the ground

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
30. He wants to "insure the public"?
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:04 AM
Feb 2013

With the trigger happy LAPD goons running amok, insurance for the public is a good idea.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
32. I read the entire manifesto...
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:30 AM
Feb 2013

lots of troubling information there. The information on how he secured his guns and ammunition is very alarming. His thoughts on gun control are not unworthy of consideration. He is very angry and very dangerous.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
42. What I meant was did he look like he swallowed a bug because
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:40 PM
Feb 2013

of the overall situation or was there something that's come to light that was distasteful at that moment?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
43. Scared was what I got, but otherwise nothing special.
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:46 PM
Feb 2013

No sign of Dorner sinced Thursday morning near as I can figure, up there in the snow at Big Bear, humping all his stuff somewhere.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
44. I suspect his burning truck was part of his overall plan of action and
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:02 PM
Feb 2013

that he perhaps hiked to a backup vehicle which he has since used to leave the area. I have fully expected to hear of another strike by Dorner elsewhere while the attention is on Big Bear.

This is reminiscent of the Eric Rudolf thing some years back.

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