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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFL charter schools claim 80,000 on waiting list. Not true.
Thanks to Bob Sikes at Scathing Purple Musings for this column. Those were very suspicious figures about the waiting list. Glad to see them refuted.
http://bobsidlethoughtsandmusings.wordpress.com/2013/02/09/smacking-down-florida-charter-schools-outrageous-waiting-list-claim/
Miami Demorat Representative Kionne L. McGhee didnt let Florida charter school lobbyist Jim Horne off the hook during this weeks public testimony on the Florida Houses latest charter school bill. Horne, whom sources say wrote the bill, made the claim that there are 80,000 children on charter schools waiting lists.
..."When McGhee inquired about the numbers, Horne quickly began back-pedaling with vague responses. Sensing Hornes evasions, he asked two more questions about the numbers forcing FLDOEs Michael Kooi to the podium to sheepishly admit the numbers were coming from the charter schools. Miami Dade official Iraida Mendez-Cartaya followed Kooi with testimony pointing out that in her district, students are likely to appear on more than one waiting list an obvious reason for such inflated numbers.
The moment had to be an embarrassing one for Horne, a former state commissioner of education. It was clear he knew the numbers wouldnt stand up to scrutiny. But the brief exchange again showed charter schools high paid mouthpieces will say anything.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)That's a shame.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)What is they say about lies? One variation is "A lie is halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on".
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional-education/gop-bill-would-require-school-districts-to-offer-u/nWHjB/
"The legislation, approved 8-5 by the panel, would require counties with empty or half-empty schools to offer these facilities at no cost to charter operators.
The Palm Beach County School Board has allowed charter schools for several years to use surplus space. But district lobbyist Vern Pickup-Crawford said the bills standards would prove a logistical nightmare, for the county.
Under the legislation, charter schools also would be freed from current requirements that allow them to expand enrollment only with the approval of the local school district. Scott last fall singled out the need to lift these caps to meet demand, with supporters Wednesday saying a charter school waiting list now hovers around 80,000 students."
LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)Who pays for the utilities and maintenance of public school space used by charter schools?
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)Exaggeration may have worked in the past, but I think their history is catching up with them.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)They do it all the time, no one calls them on it.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)"No one has ever asked us that before." or
Why? Why?? Why???
So intellectually dishonest that they will never understand what they did wrong.
RandiFan1290
(6,237 posts)Also seeing TV ads. They must have a lot of $$ to spend.
jsr
(7,712 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)The exchange begins about 33 minutes in. There should be more explanation than even this duplicate stuff. If there are waiting lists, they should be publicly available.
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madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Thanks to those like Bob Sikes who do this research like digging into long videos. The truth will out.
"No doubt there are excellent charter schools in the country where the waiting lists are very, very long. But there also are instances where waiting lists arent exactly as long as they appear.
That became clear at a recent legislative hearing in Florida, when charter school lobbyist Jim Horne gave public testimony on a charter school bill, which includes a measure that some people are calling a land grab. It would require Florida school systems to offer, free of charge, the use of empty or half-empty public school buildings to charter nonprofit and for-profit school operators.
Blogger Bob Sikes reports that Horne said that there are 80,000 children on waiting lists for charter schools. State Rep. Kionne L. McGhee (D) questioned the number, at which point Horne started to back pedal. Under questioning, a Florida Department of Education official conceded that the waiting list figures had come from the charter schools. And then, a Miami-Dade County official pointed out that some students appear on more than one waiting list."