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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:14 PM Feb 2013

Special drone court needed as check: Gates

WASHINGTON — Former US defense secretary Robert Gates on Sunday endorsed the idea of having a special court review drone strikes as a check against a president's power to, in effect, execute Americans.

The issue came to the fore last week during a Senate hearing to confirm John Brennan, President Barack Obama's counter-terrorism chief, as director of the CIA.

Gates, a former CIA director who served as defense secretary under both Obama and former president George W. Bush, said the rules followed by the Obama administration "are quite stringent and are not being abused."

"But who is to say about a future president?" he said in an interview with CNN's State of the Union.

"I just think some check on the ability of a president to do this has merit as we look to the longer-term future," he said.

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Special drone court needed as check: Gates (Original Post) morningfog Feb 2013 OP
Don't know which is worse.... Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #1
Our use of drones is a violation of domestic and international law, MadHound Feb 2013 #2
This is the correct answer. Putting a Judge at the top of the heap does not make any of it legal 1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #3
Thank you. woo me with science Feb 2013 #4
How are drones any worse customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #5
It isn't a matter of worse or not, MadHound Feb 2013 #6
Ok, agreed customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #9
Those take place under the rules of war, this takes place under no rules what so ever. 1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #7
The "rules of war" customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #8
Which is worse, being raped or tortured? sibelian Feb 2013 #10
actually the black ops are happening too Enrique Feb 2013 #11
This President customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #12

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
1. Don't know which is worse....
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:18 PM
Feb 2013

Leaving it as a Presidential power that continues to carry a high political cost

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Institutionalizing America's "right" to violate the sovereignty and human rights of any nation/person we deem an enemy.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
2. Our use of drones is a violation of domestic and international law,
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:19 PM
Feb 2013

We don't need a special court in order to act as a check against drone use, we simply need to end the use of drones, now.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
3. This is the correct answer. Putting a Judge at the top of the heap does not make any of it legal
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:27 PM
Feb 2013

And the President does not have any authority what so ever to act as Judge.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
6. It isn't a matter of worse or not,
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:09 PM
Feb 2013

The simple fact is that our current drone policy is illegal under both domestic and international law.

However, for your edification, our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan violated international law as well.

Face the fact, for being such a law abiding nation, we sure as hell violate a lot of laws.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
9. Ok, agreed
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:23 PM
Feb 2013

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were wrong. Given that, why are drones any worse than invasions and use of covert forces?

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
8. The "rules of war"
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:21 PM
Feb 2013

an oxymoron if I ever heard one, obviously need to evolve to consider the existence of drones. Again, I don't see them as fundamentally different from any other act of war where one country invades another for a military purpose.


sibelian

(7,804 posts)
10. Which is worse, being raped or tortured?
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:30 PM
Feb 2013

I guess being raped. So let's torture instead. But we need a court.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
11. actually the black ops are happening too
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:31 PM
Feb 2013

Jeremy Scahill says that they are more significant than the drone strikes and of course totally ingored. He has a movie about it coming out in the summer called Dirty Wars.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
12. This President
Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:35 PM
Feb 2013

is as committed as the last one to making sure that we take the fight to the terrorists where they are, rather than letting them take it to us in the United States. If he did not, his would be a failed Presidency.

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