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muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:57 AM Feb 2013

'Pope Benedict to resign' - Italian news agency ANSA

Just on the BBC news ticker at the moment. No more than that, so I'm not putting it in LBN - could be "will resign rather than soldier on to death, at some point in the future', I suppose.

And a link (though nothing more): http://news.sky.com/story/1050513/pope-benedict-resigns-reports

On edit: radio news says it will be on Feb 28th - via a spokesman talking to a separate news agency.

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'Pope Benedict to resign' - Italian news agency ANSA (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 OP
Spokesman: Will step down February 28th pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #1
Pope Benedict XVI is to resign on February 28th, according to reports on Italian news agency ANSA. steve2470 Feb 2013 #2
Breaking on CNN as well! Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #3
Did he exonerate the Nazi sympathizer Pope??? n/t malaise Feb 2013 #6
Very rarely muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #8
last time was 1415 krawhitham Feb 2013 #12
And it was another Benedict, Arnold... nt Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #30
Matt Lauer just said that he's "abdicating" as of Feb. 28th due to poor health Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #15
I'd buy that, but why so quickly? 2 weeks? Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #16
He said he no longer has the strength to carry out his duties... Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #17
To wave and say things that hurt people? How hard is that? nt valerief Feb 2013 #44
don't forget protecting his child molesters and rapists magical thyme Feb 2013 #49
His lawyers do that for him. He just waves and says evil things. valerief Feb 2013 #50
Time enough to get the cardinals to clear their diaries muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #19
Diaries? You must be British. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2013 #36
I am - do Americans always say "clear my schedule" these days? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #42
I guess they do. I just know that to Americans a diary is usually what a teen-aged girl writes in Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2013 #57
I'm thinking his doctors told him he has Alzheimers and it's a fast-progressing form of the disease Ken Burch Feb 2013 #21
Possibly... RudynJack Feb 2013 #25
well modern medicine's ability to prolong life long past the point of dignity Ken Burch Feb 2013 #27
It's certainly possible. RudynJack Feb 2013 #31
If it were to be something like Pick's disease, he could be incommunicative in a matter of months. woodsprite Feb 2013 #29
I thought that xmas74 Feb 2013 #46
per the Telegraph link above, no specific illness magical thyme Feb 2013 #51
That would imply he has a heart. nt Pale Blue Dot Feb 2013 #53
Well he's shown tremendous compassion magical thyme Feb 2013 #55
Easter is coming soon theKed Feb 2013 #35
That does make the most sense Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #54
I too thought they were to die in office... SkyDaddy7 Feb 2013 #48
Can't say I would be disappointed, LeftofObama Feb 2013 #4
Good n/t malaise Feb 2013 #5
+1 n/t FreeState Feb 2013 #11
Excellent, now another child molester by proxy can take the reigns Mutiny In Heaven Feb 2013 #7
Confirmed by the Vatican theHandpuppet Feb 2013 #9
Seems strange to me, after the last Pope hung in there for years by sheer force of will. eShirl Feb 2013 #38
There's a smoking gun somewhere... PCIntern Feb 2013 #10
My first reaction was to wonder what that butler knew. Skidmore Feb 2013 #20
me too eShirl Feb 2013 #34
or perhaps a smoking censer? n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #22
Last pope to resign was in the 1400s malaise Feb 2013 #13
Nazi Pope, Nazi Pope, Nazi Pope, Fuck Off!! MrSlayer Feb 2013 #14
Be careful of what you wish for on that one. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #23
I did qualify it. MrSlayer Feb 2013 #28
Two of the "Popeable", as it's called, are from Africa LibertyLover Feb 2013 #56
Dookus for pope! PeaceNikki Feb 2013 #18
Early betting odds on successors point to a Ghanaian muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #24
Old Roman saying: pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #32
His successor will be Latino... to help the GOP in 2016. nt stlsaxman Feb 2013 #39
That's a bit US-centric (nt) muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #43
of course it is... stlsaxman Feb 2013 #45
You do have a point LTR Feb 2013 #47
Hillary 2013!! RudynJack Feb 2013 #41
Let's hope it is not someone named Peter..... (nt) The Straight Story Feb 2013 #52
I gotta spend some time on the conspiracy forums today... EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #26
Thank God Atman Feb 2013 #33
Ratzo knows where The Body is buried... stlsaxman Feb 2013 #37
Jimmy Hoffa? pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #40
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
3. Breaking on CNN as well!
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:02 AM
Feb 2013


They usually die 1st. Why the sudden resignation? Has a Pope ever "resigned" before???

This is VERY... curious!

Rhiannon12866

(205,783 posts)
15. Matt Lauer just said that he's "abdicating" as of Feb. 28th due to poor health
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:25 AM
Feb 2013

The first time a pope has stepped down since 1415!

valerief

(53,235 posts)
50. His lawyers do that for him. He just waves and says evil things.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:25 AM
Feb 2013

Really. What else does he actually do?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
19. Time enough to get the cardinals to clear their diaries
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:44 AM
Feb 2013

and get to Rome, perhaps. Once he's made the decision to go, and make it public, I can see it'd be better to move the process along rapidly.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
57. I guess they do. I just know that to Americans a diary is usually what a teen-aged girl writes in
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 05:53 PM
Feb 2013

to keep track of her angst. Others may keep notes on their doings and feelings, but usually call it a journal, not a diary. Both are generally used to record things after the fact.

To record appointments in the future, Americans commonly use what we call a calendar, also known as a date book (but that's most often a hard-copy becoming obsolete due to digital version--never, it seems, called a date book), or, as you said, a schedule.

I'm a sucker for any British accent and have always been fascinated by British vs American English, so, please excuse my geek.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
21. I'm thinking his doctors told him he has Alzheimers and it's a fast-progressing form of the disease
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:49 AM
Feb 2013

Since that won't kill you right away(assuming this is what the Holy Father was told)it raised the possibility of Benedict hanging on in an incapacitated state for weeks, months, perhaps years. He'd have decide that this would put the Church in an intolerable situation.

That my theory, in any case.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
27. well modern medicine's ability to prolong life long past the point of dignity
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:57 AM
Feb 2013

may have played a role here. In similar situations in the past, it would always have been clear that an incapacitated pontiff would only live for a short while in any case(then again, until the last couple of centuries, most people didn't live all that long, as far as that goes).

Still, this is a bit of historical weirdness none of us expected.

RudynJack

(1,044 posts)
31. It's certainly possible.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:07 AM
Feb 2013

My first reaction was that a scandal is coming. But maybe I'm just a natural cynic.

woodsprite

(11,921 posts)
29. If it were to be something like Pick's disease, he could be incommunicative in a matter of months.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:02 AM
Feb 2013

Just had a friend die from that last year. Her docs told her family it would be like Alzheimer's on steroids. In 2 years she went from being an active genetic counselor, then to early stages of dementia, to being noncommunicative and totally bedridden. She died about month after her 2yr diagnosis. The Alzheimer's drugs that slow the progress of the disease don't have any effect on Pick's.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
46. I thought that
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:35 AM
Feb 2013

or maybe cancer.

Either way, I figure it's something that could linger but will cause death.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
51. per the Telegraph link above, no specific illness
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:33 AM
Feb 2013

"He said that the Pope was not stepping down because of any specific illness. Depression or uncertainty were ruled out as causes for the resignation.
The announcement was "a bolt from the blue", said Angelo Sodano, a senior Vatican cardinal. The news apparently came as a surprise, even to the Pope's close aides."

Further on in the article it mentions that his doctor told him to avoid transatlantic travel. Apparently he has a heart condition.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
55. Well he's shown tremendous compassion
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:35 AM
Feb 2013

for his rapist-priests.

Their victims just need a lesson in forgiveness. It takes a tough-minded person to stand up to that whiny bunch.

theKed

(1,235 posts)
35. Easter is coming soon
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:13 AM
Feb 2013

Perhaps he (and/or his advisors) felt it best to get out of the way before that, if it's something serious that would prevent him from doing all that he's expected to.

Rhiannon12866

(205,783 posts)
54. That does make the most sense
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:16 PM
Feb 2013

Easter is huge in the Church and the whole world looks to Rome, even non-Catholics. He'd be out there front and center. And there's nobody who can stand in for a pope.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
48. I too thought they were to die in office...
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:05 AM
Feb 2013

HELL, we had to watch that John Paul character die in front of us for years. But this Beenadick fool is quitting? I wonder if he knows his cover-up of child rapist could be getting ready to go public??

Maybe there is a push from within to get rid of the Pope?

I am sure this will turn into a reality show via every news agency on the planet like last time.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
9. Confirmed by the Vatican
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:07 AM
Feb 2013

NBC4 (Washington, D. C.) just reported that the Vatican has confirmed Benedict will resign on the 28th. Benedict says he doesn't have the strength to continue anymore.

eShirl

(18,496 posts)
38. Seems strange to me, after the last Pope hung in there for years by sheer force of will.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:18 AM
Feb 2013

"Benedict says he doesn't have the strength to continue anymore."

PCIntern

(25,572 posts)
10. There's a smoking gun somewhere...
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:11 AM
Feb 2013

Just when things were getting interesting...they just got more interesting.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
14. Nazi Pope, Nazi Pope, Nazi Pope, Fuck Off!!
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:24 AM
Feb 2013

Seriously.

I'd like to see an African Pope.

Not that it matters to me personally but I'd like to see the reaction of certain people I know.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
23. Be careful of what you wish for on that one.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:50 AM
Feb 2013

From what I've heard, some of the African cardinals are even more reactionary than Benedict.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
28. I did qualify it.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:58 AM
Feb 2013

By saying that I don't care who gets the job. Since I'm an agnostic, non-theistic evolutionist I don't care if he wants to bring back the inquisition. I just want a black Pope.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
56. Two of the "Popeable", as it's called, are from Africa
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:51 AM
Feb 2013

One is a Ghanaian cardinal named Peter Turkson. The other, a cardinal from Nigeria, is Francis Arinze. Both are considered to be extremely conservative. Benny Boy packed the College of Cardinals with as many like-minded clones of himself as he could find over the last 7 or so years.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
24. Early betting odds on successors point to a Ghanaian
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:51 AM
Feb 2013

followed by a Canadian and a Nigerian.

Bookmakers Paddy Power have drawn up a list of contenders to replace Benedict. According to them the favourite is Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana (9/4), with Cardinal Marc Ouellet next at 5/2 and Francis Arinze at 7/2. Here is their full list:

9/4 Cardinal Peter Turkson

5/2 Cardinal Marc Ouellet

7/2 Cardinal Francis Arinze

7/1 Archbishop Angelo Scola

10/1 Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga
...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/11/pope-resigns-live-reaction#block-5118d9b6b5790c5937938d94


Ladbrokes are just behind Paddy Power with their own list of contenders. Their top three is the same: Peter Turkson, Marc Oullet and Francis Arinze.

5/2 Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson

3/1 Cardinal Marc Ouellet

4/1 Cardinal Francis Arinze

6/1 Cardinal Angelo Scola

10/1 Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga
...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/11/pope-resigns-live-reaction#block-5118da3cb5790c5937938d95


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turkson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Ouellet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Arinze (Arinze is 80 - older than Ratzinger was who he got the job. Seems unlikely as a choice, to me - he's actually too old to vote for Pope)

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
32. Old Roman saying:
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:09 AM
Feb 2013

"He who enters the conclave as a frontrunner comes out as a cardinal."

(Mentioned by CNN's Vatican correspondent this morning.)

LTR

(13,227 posts)
47. You do have a point
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:56 AM
Feb 2013

Not the whole GOP sceme of things, but I recall last time around that the church was considering someone from Latin America, which is perhaps the Catholic Church's strongest hotbed.

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