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BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
4. I don't understand why the whole nation is not in an uproar about the drone program
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:45 AM
Feb 2013

If there ever were an issue where the liberals should agree with the libertarians, this is it. And considering that Obama is the current architect / custodian of this carnage, you would think the Republicans would naturally be all over this issue.

Fools. Stupid fools. Can't they see where this is leading? Blowback is a bitch, and it is headed our way.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
5. I think it has to do with an authoritarian mindset, Dean wrote an excellent book
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:16 PM
Feb 2013

describing how that is a problem within the GOP, but also it would appear to be a problem with neo-liberals, I just did not imagine it would be such a severe problem within the Democratic party itself, but "new dems" are much closer in psychology and goals to the GOP as most are basically re-branded Republicans at best, that is my theory anyway.

It has been a long time since I read the book, but it explains that there are those that NEED to be led by basically what they feel is their strongest primate. They do not question the authority leader nor brook any criticism against him, even disregarding any and all evidence that "infallible leader" is in any way fallible. This leads to cognitive dissonance and the host of issues that come with that.

What is important about them is that they are not "fooled" into believing everything leader does or rationalizes for them, but rather they crave a strong leader and WANT to be led without question, they gladly consume the leaders rationalizations no matter how absurd as they do not wish to think as much as have no burden of thought, they just want the big primate to think for them and protect them.

With authoritarian type "followers" any criticism of the leader or his policies frightens them as he must be infallible and all powerful in order for them to feel safe.

It explained well the power Bush had over his unquestioning followers and IMHO it is the same with Obama and his neo-lib "followers".

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
15. I've derived that from reading many of the other forums here. I think there are many who are...
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:29 PM
Feb 2013

Democrats only because there is some benefit to themselves (real or perceived) in the party's direction, or just a repulsion for those of the republicans.
The number who seem to grasp the realities of freedom, equality, and independence sought by the founding fathers is very small.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
7. Uhm well the repukes would be hypocrites if they did cause Bush pretty much said the same thing...
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:23 PM
Feb 2013

as in ...if the war president says its legal ...it is ...but then hypocrisy never stopped the repukes from doing or saying anything.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
9. It is. But, that does not matter. Power is not in the hands of the whole nation.
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:40 PM
Feb 2013

Power is in the hands of one person, Barack Obama.

unapatriciated

(5,390 posts)
11. K&R
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:00 PM
Feb 2013

Seems we have way too many, who are good students of Professor Droney. They are willing to forgo ethics and morality, citing the old cliche of the ends justify the means. Unfortunately the ends we will reap from this may not be what they expected.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
13. "I never liked Tom Tomorrow anyway."
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:02 PM
Feb 2013

"Who got to him?"

"Check his bank account for large deposits."

"RACIST!"

and so on.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
20. UK Guardian: "Should an armed drone be dispatched to kill Christopher Dorner?"
Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:36 PM
Feb 2013
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/11/chris-dorner-drones-lapd

A major manhunt has been underway in the Los Angeles area for Chris Dorner, the former LAPD officer, Navy reservist, and trained marksman who is the prime suspect in the murder of three people, including the daughter of an LAPD captain (who previously represented him in a disciplinary proceeding) and her fiance. A lengthy Facebook message attributed to Dorner vows that he will continue to kill not only members of the LAPD but also their children and spouses until he receives a public apology for what he believes was his unfair firing:

"This will be a war of attrition . . . . I will utilize OSINT to discover your residences, spouses workplaces, and children's schools. IMINT to coordinate and plan attacks on your fixed locations. . . . HUMINT will be utilized to collect personal schedules of targets. I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I'm terminating yours. . . . I know your significant others routine, your children's best friends and recess. I know Your Sancha's gym hours and routine. I assure you that the casualty rate will be high."

Surveillance drones are now being used to try to locate him. LAPD are so apprehensive that they have already mistakenly shot at innocent people when they saw vehicles resembling the one they thought belonged to Dorner. Authorities suspect he's hiding in "the icy wilderness" of Big Bear east of Los Angeles which, reported AP, is "filled with thick forests and jagged peaks, that creates peril as much for Dorner as the officers hunting him."

Here's my question: if the surveillance drones detect his location, should the lives of law enforcement agents be risked, along with other civilians, in an attempt to apprehend this highly-trained warrior? Why shouldn't an armed drone instead be immediately dispatched once his location is ascertained and simply kill him?

(Yes, it's their fucking JOB and that system is in place. Abrogate it and they'll whip out drones to solve every problem, claiming legal precedent. Hello dystopia! Goodbye Bill of Rights! Send a drone! Just like big pharma's "Here's a pill for that" quick "cures"!)
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