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dsc

(52,162 posts)
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 11:54 PM Jan 2012

Why are we so sure Mitt is more moderate than Newt?

The only real thing we know about Mitt is that he will say whatever to whomever it takes to get elected. After the Salt Lake City Olympics Mitt decided he wanted to run for office and he had to states to try to run in. He had already run against Kennedy as a Tsongas clone at that point but it was an epic fail. So he went off and ran the Olympics and then needed a place to run. But he had a bit of a problem. Utah had a popular governor who wasn't going anywhere so he couldn't run there so he moved back to Mass. where the governor was about as popular as the plague and forced her out of the race. He has run for office four times. Once against Kennedy as a socially far left, economically moderate Republican. Then in 2002 he was a moderate all the way, In 2008, he tried to be the conservative alternative to McCain that failed. Now, he is an anti gay, anti immigrant, pro life, economic right winger. So who is the real Mitt and how on earth would we know? The only constant with Mitt is that he has no constant core. Honestly, he scares me more than any of the others.

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Why are we so sure Mitt is more moderate than Newt? (Original Post) dsc Jan 2012 OP
Amphibians both. The newt and the chameleon. Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #1
A chameleon is a reptile ashling Jan 2012 #5
You're right. Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #15
Chamelions have a big head ashling Jan 2012 #16
Very Newtlike, actually-- Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #17
It will be ok - Just as long as ashling Jan 2012 #18
+1 HuckleB Jan 2012 #10
Mitt is very principaled. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #2
Oh, I didn't realize he was ashling Jan 2012 #8
I thought it was a new transitive verb, shorthand for being sent to the principal. As in Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #19
I thought about that, but ashling Jan 2012 #22
Mitt would be a rubber stamp for the GOP Congress. tritsofme Jan 2012 #3
Exactly right. Any Republican President would be. TheWraith Jan 2012 #6
Why does it matter? Either one will get served by Obama nt Xipe Totec Jan 2012 #4
Who is thinking he is a moderate? Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #7
there are two kinds of republicans: those who can act like they believe the crap they feed the yurbud Jan 2012 #11
Slick analysis. Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #20
you could take it further too--those who are afraid of going the way of Nixon (Papa Bush) or yurbud Jan 2012 #27
Honestly, does Romney HAVE any actual substance? renie408 Jan 2012 #23
I think Newt has no filter, particularly with respect to perceived personal affronts.... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #9
i think Romney is more serious about his religion than Gingrich is JI7 Jan 2012 #12
Gingrich changes religions like he does wives waddirum Jan 2012 #14
Giving to the Church is a great way to keep them solidly behind you. Jackpine Radical Jan 2012 #21
True believer? siligut Jan 2012 #25
They're both extremists and represent their party well. n/t deacon Jan 2012 #13
Dunno about this 'we' stuff, but I am not so sure. Rex Jan 2012 #24
Here is the difference, Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #26
being from the great commonwealth of mass Beer Snob-50 Jan 2012 #28

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
15. You're right.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:36 PM
Jan 2012

I don't know what made me think they were amphibians. When I looked at a pic, the chameleon's reptilian nature was obvious.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
17. Very Newtlike, actually--
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 10:36 AM
Jan 2012

which is maybe what made me mis-classify them as amphibians.

(Actually, this exchange brought to light a gaping hole in my fund of knowledge--I was imagining chameleons to be more salamander-like, since I'm familiar with salamanders that also change color to match their surroundings.)

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
19. I thought it was a new transitive verb, shorthand for being sent to the principal. As in
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:37 PM
Jan 2012

"Straighten out or I'm gonna Principal you."

tritsofme

(17,380 posts)
3. Mitt would be a rubber stamp for the GOP Congress.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:01 AM
Jan 2012

And that's what is scary.

Because if he were to win, Republicans would almost certainly have also taken the Senate.

He will be deathly afraid of a damaging primary challenge in 2016, and will sign whatever the most extreme elements of his party force through Congress.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
6. Exactly right. Any Republican President would be.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:13 AM
Jan 2012

The reality is that neither Newt nor Mitt is going to veto the lunatic insanity that comes out of a Teabagger-controlled House. THAT is where the agenda will come from.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
7. Who is thinking he is a moderate?
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:14 AM
Jan 2012

He is from the Wall Street branch of the Republican party.

IMO, makes him worse than all of the pot bangers combined.

Neo-con on steroids, anything for a profit. Darth Cheney only wishes he could have less of a soul.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
11. there are two kinds of republicans: those who can act like they believe the crap they feed the
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:22 AM
Jan 2012

knuckledraggers, and those who can't.

Or to put it more simply, Baby Bush and Papa Bush.

Newt is closer to Baby, and Mitt is closer to Papa.

But the difference is only in style not substance.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
27. you could take it further too--those who are afraid of going the way of Nixon (Papa Bush) or
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:48 PM
Jan 2012

those who can't even conceive of being held accountable for their actions, so consequences would catch them by surprise, like Hitler in his bunker (Baby Bush).

renie408

(9,854 posts)
23. Honestly, does Romney HAVE any actual substance?
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:14 PM
Jan 2012

To give the right some credit, they are correct in their suspicions of Romney. He wants to be President...period. It looks like he will say and do whatever it takes to achieve that end. What he really thinks is a mystery.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
9. I think Newt has no filter, particularly with respect to perceived personal affronts....
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:20 AM
Jan 2012

or his desire to "check mate" his enemies. No damned filter whatsoever. That is damned dangerous.

Mitt is all over the map, but I do thin consequences DO matter to him. i don't think he acts irrationally, though his positions are subject to current "winds". I surely don't want Mitt in the WH, but he is more "sane" than Newt.

I understand wanting to "use" Newt to neutralize Mitt's threat as an Obama Opponent in the Fall, But, be careful. If Newt somehow comes back again and enough low info voters were at play, this would be catastrophic. Newt doesn't give a damn, what happens at his hand.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
12. i think Romney is more serious about his religion than Gingrich is
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:51 AM
Jan 2012

i think Gingrich does it more as a cover for all the bad stuff he has done personally with the wives. but Romney gives a lot of money to his church.

the country is more moderate than right wing so i guess since Romney goes which way the wind blows it can keep him in check. but you never know.

but yeah, with gingrich we know what we are getting.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
21. Giving to the Church is a great way to keep them solidly behind you.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:49 PM
Jan 2012

And there are a lot of rich Mormons who would like to see one of their own in power. In this case, based purely on the behavior involved, it is impossible to distinguish religious or altruistic motives from purely mercenary ones.

I see a couple of possibilities.

One is that Romney is a conscienceless bastard who does whatever is necessary to advance his own self-aggrandizement.

The other is that he is genuinely committed to being the prophesied Mormon leader:

“We were taught that America is the Promised Land,” he said in an interview.”The Mormons are the Chosen People. And the time is now for a Mormon leader to usher in the second coming of Christ and install the political Kingdom of God in Washington, D.C.”

In this scenario, Romney’s candidacy is part of the eternal plan and the candidate himself is fulfilling the destiny begun in what the church calls the “pre-existence.”


http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and_the_white_horse_prophecy/singleton/

siligut

(12,272 posts)
25. True believer?
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:36 PM
Jan 2012

That Mormons consider themselves to be the Chosen People gives another indication of what they think of the rest of us. I hope Mitt's run for POTUS exposes more and more about these people and their real beliefs.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. Dunno about this 'we' stuff, but I am not so sure.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:15 PM
Jan 2012

Matter of fact Mitt might be a horrible dictator once in office...hard to say really. I personally don't think either men have a chance in hell and Obama will walk into his second term.

Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
26. Here is the difference,
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:46 PM
Jan 2012

Romney is a Northern Corporate Supremacist, Gingrich is a Southern Corporate Supremacist, Santorum is a Religious Corporate Supremacist, Paul is an Avowed Corporate Supremacist.

If I was forced to choose one then I would take Paul because A. His argument for corporate supermacy is above board, the others have the same goals but are more stealthy about it and thus with Paul the issue of corporate supremacy can finally be addressed and debated front and center in the political arena and B. Cannabis is more likely to be legalized under Paul and as the nation would be headed to Hell in a Handbasket, I want to be medicated with the drug of my choice.

Thanks for the thread, dsc.

Beer Snob-50

(6,676 posts)
28. being from the great commonwealth of mass
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 02:54 PM
Jan 2012

he seemed to be more moderate than newt while he was governor. not that i liked him at all. is he anti-gay, immigration? probably not. he is pro-voteforme.

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