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I told you they were going to burn him out. (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 OP
so what do you want? A rose? kudos? oohs and ahs over your prognostication? cali Feb 2013 #1
Here's a possible scenario rightsideout Feb 2013 #6
I'll wager he shot himself after the fire started DollarBillHines Feb 2013 #7
msnbc just said there was a shot inside the cabin as the fire started ThomThom Feb 2013 #18
Last online news is they think he may have escaped. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #23
Nasty reply. Texasgal Feb 2013 #14
Do you live near there, Cali ? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #15
what, you the only person here allowed a vanity post? frylock Feb 2013 #41
Does anyone know if he's even in there? He could have fled; he's babylonsister Feb 2013 #2
someone was shooting out of the cabin, weren't they? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #11
I don't know; know there were shots fired early on, don't babylonsister Feb 2013 #13
Yeah there was gunfire exchanged at the cabin Marrah_G Feb 2013 #17
So he might be toast. babylonsister Feb 2013 #20
He knew this would end in his death Marrah_G Feb 2013 #25
Yes, that's fuzzy to me too. But feel sorry for the owner of the cabin. He actually noticed and Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #24
Oh he disappeared again. Dash87 Feb 2013 #16
Oooo! Ahhh! Liberal Veteran Feb 2013 #3
good observation.. HipChick Feb 2013 #4
Actually, I had watched the same scenario in my area. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #19
so what lesson should we draw from your two observations? arely staircase Feb 2013 #29
whatever lesson you wish. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #31
lets kick this one further down the road.. oldhippydude Feb 2013 #30
Yep. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #32
Enough of this crap! Ernesto Feb 2013 #5
Uhm, that's sort of what they do. When the tear gas canisters come out, Cleita Feb 2013 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author kickysnana Feb 2013 #9
You were right malaise Feb 2013 #10
That's a relatively standard siege approach when dealing with this sort of situation mythology Feb 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #21
Yes! I posted up thread about him holing up close to my house at the time dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #26
I did not expect him to make it into any nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #22
It was pretty obvious. liberalmuse Feb 2013 #27
You posted that 28 minutes after a post saying the cabin wa engulfed in flames. greyl Feb 2013 #28
I should have checked the DU... dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #33
Just read on a #bigbear twitterfeed nc4bo Feb 2013 #34
Why indeed. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #35
New update says they've pulled a body out. nc4bo Feb 2013 #37
Daily Beast confirms body. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #39
Thanks for the confirmation dixie. nm nc4bo Feb 2013 #40
They probably didn't put the fire out because chowder66 Feb 2013 #36
True chowder. nm nc4bo Feb 2013 #38
How do you know he didn't do it himself? Heard that one gun shot was heard before burst of flames.nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #42
is there proof of who actually started the fire? lost-in-nj Feb 2013 #43
I have been reading several online news reports dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #44
Execution by fire... HipChick Feb 2013 #45
Well, they labeled him a "domestic terrorist" dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #46
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
1. so what do you want? A rose? kudos? oohs and ahs over your prognostication?
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:27 PM
Feb 2013

I know people like to be right about stuff, but crowing about being right about this is weird to me. to put it kindly. And how do you know he didn't blow his brains out before the fire?

rightsideout

(978 posts)
6. Here's a possible scenario
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:34 PM
Feb 2013

The police fired tear gas into the cabin. Dorner figured the end was near and killed himself since the police heard one gunshot after they fired tear gas inside. The tear gas caused the fire. He's being cremated.

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)
18. msnbc just said there was a shot inside the cabin as the fire started
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:58 PM
Feb 2013

he may have started the fire then shot himself
of course the first thing the media says is usually wrong so we will wait for more information
personally I hate this type of reporting and just turned it off

frylock

(34,825 posts)
41. what, you the only person here allowed a vanity post?
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:00 PM
Feb 2013

can't wait for your followup about how awful Ed Gein was.

babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
13. I don't know; know there were shots fired early on, don't
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:48 PM
Feb 2013

know if they were shot from the cabin or if he was in there at the time.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
17. Yeah there was gunfire exchanged at the cabin
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:56 PM
Feb 2013

There was a news reporter on scene hiding from the shots.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
24. Yes, that's fuzzy to me too. But feel sorry for the owner of the cabin. He actually noticed and
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:01 PM
Feb 2013

recognized it when he turned the TV on. Oops...all gone.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
19. Actually, I had watched the same scenario in my area.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:58 PM
Feb 2013

Back in the early 1980's a group of right wing militia in Idaho were robbing banks in the Pac. NW to support their gun fetish.
One of the ring leaders was pursued onto Whidbey Island and holed up a street away from my house.
( really dumb thing to do, there is only one road off the island)
All sorts of police were at both ends of the road where he was holed up in a cabin, including 2 fire trucks.
I thought that a bit strange at the time.
But 4 hours later, the cabin burst into flames, and the fire trucks went in, the guy was declared dead in the press.

Few years later, Waco happened.

Seemed less co-incidental and more of a pattern.


arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
29. so what lesson should we draw from your two observations?
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:10 PM
Feb 2013

the cops kill random, innocent people? Don't join a rw militia and rob banks?

oldhippydude

(2,514 posts)
30. lets kick this one further down the road..
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:13 PM
Feb 2013

remember what happened to the S.L.A. after Patty Hurst was rescued

Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
12. That's a relatively standard siege approach when dealing with this sort of situation
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:46 PM
Feb 2013

It minimizes the risk of casualties to those laying siege and gives the people inside an incentive to get out. It's how the government approached the end game of the Branch Davidians and in dealing with Bob Mathews of the Order for example.

Response to mythology (Reply #12)

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
26. Yes! I posted up thread about him holing up close to my house at the time
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:07 PM
Feb 2013

on Whidbey. Had forgotten his name till you mentioned it.

liberalmuse

(18,672 posts)
27. It was pretty obvious.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:07 PM
Feb 2013

Hell, I watched Waco. I was surprised they didn't firebomb the cabin sooner. Ugly, ugly stuff, all of it.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
28. You posted that 28 minutes after a post saying the cabin wa engulfed in flames.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:10 PM
Feb 2013

Same thread, note the time.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
34. Just read on a #bigbear twitterfeed
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:45 PM
Feb 2013

that they won't go near the cabin until it has completely burned down/out.

Just wow. My skin feels like there's a million ants crawling over it.

Won't even bother to put the fire out, why? This will be a complete cremation with no or hardly any evidence to sift through including bones.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
35. Why indeed.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:54 PM
Feb 2013

Maybe they don't want to approach in case he is holed up nearby, or under the cabin,somehow escaping the fire..
They gotta find enough bones to declare he is indeed dead tho.
And according to the cremation industry, some bones survive even the hottest cremation fires.
( I read the damnest things, don'tcha know)

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
37. New update says they've pulled a body out.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:56 PM
Feb 2013

Suspect. Everything the police state does should be considered suspicious until found otherwise.

chowder66

(9,074 posts)
36. They probably didn't put the fire out because
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:55 PM
Feb 2013

of potential weapons, bombs, booby-traps. Too risky considering his training and military service.

lost-in-nj

(18,339 posts)
43. is there proof of who actually started the fire?
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:05 PM
Feb 2013

I would like to know because I have heard HE started the fire....

the man was a monster but I still would like to know who started the fire..

I hope the families of his victims get the answers they need

was he still in the cabin?

Thanks in advance

lost

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
44. I have been reading several online news reports
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:19 PM
Feb 2013

which indicate several versions, one of them being tear gas cannisters
another story said police were mum about who started fire, which is interesting in itself.
But I cannot think of any reason to be holed up in a cabin and then set fire to it.

This:
It was not clear who set the fire in the Big Bear community where Dorner apparently has been hiding since sometime last week.
from
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12/fugitive-ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities-ap-source-says/


yeah, I know it is Fox, but it was what came up on the Google news search.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
46. Well, they labeled him a "domestic terrorist"
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:27 PM
Feb 2013

so it was pretty certain all bets were off of him being taken alive.

Not happy with "terrorist" definition being expanded to cover what we used to call "criminals" or "killers".

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