he would stop the drone strikes?

Or get corporate money out of our electoral system?

Or rein in the drug wars?

Or reject the pipeline and drilling and sale of the Gulf of Mexico?

Or stop the new massive free trade agreement?

Or stop the warrantless surveillance of all Americans and the militarization of our police departments?

Or stop the corporatization of our schools?

Or stop indefinite detention and the "kill lists" and claiming the right to murder American citizens without due process?

Anything about these major policies? Anything about reversing the corporatization of our government and the flood of lobbyists in Washington? Anything about the fact that virtually the entire "recovery" has gone to the top one percent, and that CEO pay continues to outstrip employee pay by obscene measures unseen in any other developed country? Any mention of the poverty numbers in this country and that one out of five of our children and seniors now live in poverty, and over a million of our schoolchildren are now homeless?

Any SERIOUS plans to address what was done to us and return what was stolen to the American people? Any plans to change the things listed above, which will continue and escalate the same devastating trajectory?

No, we are supposed to cheer about a proposal for nine dollars per hour.

Welcome to the second term.

we would have spent the time watching coverage of a puppy in a well.

I'm sure you are right.

Thanks for the laugh. It's much needed in times like this...

And several of us who love it and agree with it whole heartedly.

Keep up the good work woo!

And sheshe2, why are you so afraid of what woo has to say that you want her/him to run off to another site??? If you disagree with it why don't you engage in a discussion and refute it?

Almost 3am...gotta meeting at work in five hours...then will be working a night shift. Will have to get back to you later...or should I be getting back to woo.

I am a bit confused, does woo have a problem with my response...haven't heard from him/her. Let me know who I should be answering to. Or do I have to answer to the "several of you who loves what woo says." Or maybe you want me to respond to the

I don't think it really deserves a response. The discussion would likely degrade into further insults.

I also agree with everything in Woo's post. It certainly addresses the actual current state of our union.

You seem to think any criticism of the administration is wrong. I disagree.

And the subsequent attack on you for agreeing with whiners was removed as well. Juries getting it right.

without leadership and immediate, serious action there, everything else becomes moot, imo.

As to Woo needing to get a life or get out, really that is 1. a personal attack and 2. laughable that someone unable to bear reading something he/she doesn't agree with would write such a thing. Really, if you can't take Woo's heat, you get out of the kitchen. You can always choose to ignore his/her posts if they get to you so much.

In the meantime, the election is over. While during the election season, I could understand and agree with the ban on criticizing our candidate, the time for blind support is over, and the time for legitimate, constructive criticism is open.

We won; we need now to get on with it and we need to keep our focus on the fundamental problems we face. President Obama told us he needs us to "make him" do things. We cannot "make him" do anything if we do not make clear what we want and need done. And if he didn't express those things in the State of the Union, that signals it's time for feedback.

That was perfectly said. None of these major issues will be addressed, until the people cry out loudly enough to force a response.

You're right; I should have mentioned climate change directly instead of just listing the energy policies. It is important to make all of this explicit and to be talking about it relentlessly.

Now is the time.

Thank you very much for this post. You said what needed to be said much better than I did.

you can't please all the people all of the time ,but you CAN to please most people most of the time !

I heard that one. POTUS clearly stated a desire to get us off oil. Perhaps his way of rejecting the Pipeline is to encourage the development of other resources thereby rendering it obsolete. Maybe his way of negating the free trade agreement are the hubs of technological development he talked about.

This President seems to give the opposing team new shoes but provides his team with stilts. If only they were bright enough to put them on.

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Criticizing the President's call to increase the minimum wage: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014397791#post8

Given the meme list in that comment, I doubt the poster even knows what was in the speech.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022362824

They had them out early and, apparently often. Haha. Multipurpose indeed. That way they can just plug them in everywhere they see someone happy with the president.

That's really telling, isn't it? You would think he'd be concerned about that.

attacks, they mesh well but remain incredibly obvious. You won't ever get a response to your direct points so why bother? When there is no way to debate the merit of an argument, the plan simply resorts to coordinated obfuscation and TeaLeftist claims. The stuff of grade school shenanigans.

that people would talk about the President's actual policy agenda on the night of the State of the Union address.

Absolutely shocking, to bring up the issues that really matter.

it is far more important to see Gabby clap. It is far more important that he told heart-warming stories about heros. It is far more important that Tim Cook sat with the First Lady, and Obama gave Apple a PR moment. After all, Apple is only going to assemble (not manufacture) a few computers (which is no longer its main focus anyway!) in Northern Cal.

The actual real shit that needs discussing and solutions found for are nothing compared to that.

But hey look, Obama proposed a raising of the minimum wage which will barely offset the rising cost of food, gas, and health insurance for those who need it. I am certain all of those recent graduates defaulting on their excessive student loan debt will be grateful as well as they sling burgers with their doctorates in computer science. I mean we need all of those new H1B visas to cover the dearth of STEM jobs so let's give them to foreigners instead of Americans.

Yay team!

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Well, seems you may have possibly changed your tune about schools, given that you have written in the past in support of the testing mania that has crippled teaching.

woo. Caught in some lying hypocrisy, huh?

Yes, it's called learning. There are people here who have not yet seen the light on free trade....people here who have not yet seen the light on energy....because the propaganda is very, very good in every separate area.

That is very different from changing your position just because of who is President.

It is why I keep posting about propaganda and the overall picture of what is being done to this country. Putting the WHOLE list of outrages together, because then you see the patterns of privatization and profit-making and corporatization, no matter the issue....The corporatists get away with so much of what they are doing, because each issue is propagandized separately, and people miss the overall picture. We are sold. We are bought and sold, and they are figuring out ways to profit from every single area of our lives.

That is why it is so, so important to expose the whole picture, and why I have such great respect for those who keep doing it, despite the insults and the constant drumbeat of propaganda and disparagement. Because it really does matter....


Here is a post I wrote to madfloridian in 2011:

I had you on ignore for some time due to getting some impatient / condescending responses from you to posts I made re: test over-kill. This was a while back. I recognized your intelligence, but you came at me with a response mired in the pro-testing corporatist propaganda and rolled your eyes when I, as a 20 year veteran teacher, tried to present my side which can best be summed up by the Einstein quote, “Not everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts.”

I agree with a lot of what you say and your voice here is appreciated. I am glad that MF got you to see the predicament public education is in thanks to obfuscation and greed.

for hearing me. I am sorry I did not hear you then. I am grateful for every single person here who keeps trying to put the pieces together for others to see...

Most of your list can condense to "power of money" and the impact of economic power.

you do is whine. God you're a case!

a lot. The part where he made the really good proposals and then said something to the effect, vote on these things, if you want to vote no, that's your choice, but these proposals deserve a vote. I'm like WTF did he really say "if you want to vote no, that's your choice."?? That made them out to be trivial and unimportant.

I'd give you one. Well, here's this anyway:

Fringe leftist purity trolls the President. Color me shocked.

> Get corporate money out of our electoral system?
No, that was the SoTU two years ago when he took the Supreme Court directly to task before the nation for violating 100 years of precedent in Citizens United. Because of that, some of the the GOP nutcases (Scalia, Thomas) on the court no longer even show up.

> Rein in the drug wars?
It's not a "war". Second, that's too out of step with mainstream thinking (although mainstream thinking is changing, slowly)

> Reject the pipeline and drilling and sale of the Gulf of Mexico?
Because Americans don't need jobs or anything. Energy independence is overwhelmingly popular.

> Stop the new massive free trade agreement?
Because Americans don't need jobs or anything.

> Stop the warrantless surveillance of all Americans and the militarization of our police departments?
Although I cheer Senator Wyden's efforts, this is not a topic for the SoTU. Besides, Chinese hackers and Anonymous seem to be far more mischievous in this regard. I've never heard of a single person with standing to complain about anything from U.S. intelligence agencies. As far as "militarization of our (local county) police departments", should he mention dog-catchers too?

> Stop the corporatization of our schools?
Um, you do know that "corporatization" is not a word, right? Also, last time I checked, they are still called public schools, staffed by public employees.

> Or stop indefinite detention and the "kill lists" and claiming the right to murder American citizens without due process?
U.S. citizens openly plotting to kill Americans get all the privileges that were accorded to the U.S. Confederate citizens in the civil war who were doing the same. These are called "acts of war" not "murder".

> Anything about these major policies?

No, because half the time you're wrong. And the other half when you are right, the President knows that to change people's minds, you need to nudge them slowly. Coming off like a leftist version of Glenn Beck is counterproductive. It may be able to garner a handful of fringe votes from an utterly non-representative website like D.U., but it wouldn't actually fix anything.

Go back to worshiping at the altar of Ralph Nader, woo. Just let the rest of us never forget that people like you gave us GWB.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

Or not!

Perhaps ......... nevermind.

what does it mean?

finding out what the expression means without indicating you don't know yourself. He/she will eventually get an answer and then so will we.

Heavy duty ideologues engaged in hysterical hyperbole.

Well, that's how I read it anyway.

This thread really shows what happens when you try to question the President on anything. His most fervent supporters swarm and attack at every turn, usually in pretty nasty ways. This is the kind of shit that makes DU look like DLC.com rather than Democratic UNDERGROUND. Undergrounds usually aren't meant to kowtow to the mainstream talking point brigade as we are here and as so many in this thread choose to do so dutifully.

Also, they OWN this place now. They team up in jury duties to protect themselves when they go name calling and such. Exactly what happened with the posts above. Sickening.

-Laelth

I'd give you one. (I just wrote that for somebody else, but I thought I should say that to you too.)

Though I am personally partial to Tik Tok myself.

You have been here since 2010...you have never rec'd a single thread in 90 days...and only posted 42 times! Now you are here to tell us the President is cutting SS and Medicare.

Please provide us with that link!!!!

Damn, we sure as hell need that info. We need to circle the wagons, Right Now!

Code Red....Danger, danger, danger, Will Robinson!

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Nor will they understand, Your President, My President, Our President! Absolutely an incredible speech!

K&R!

Thanks, steve!

is wrong... who knew!
He sure is swimming one hell of a Broad stroke! Going for the Gold! Olympics score...in 1 to 10...100!

... even here, where one would hope to gain some refuge from the BS.

Unfortunately, I missed seeing the speech live because I had to take my dog to a training class, and that is a must-do for this beastie.

However I cannot imagine, somehow, that POTUS announced the demise of SS or Medicare or any such thing.

I'm off to check whitehouse.gov to see if I can watch the vid.

Hekate

Yup. The negativity can be overwhelming...and I am so very new here.

However, I plan to stay and fight.

We can always go meet at the BOG. I also make daily visits to The Obama Diary. It is a great place to get cleansed!

sheshe

You are also gone.

That made me tear up. When he talked about the Heros present sitting there in Congress, like the 100 year old woman who stood in line, or the Nurse who brought the babies out from the hospital in NYC, it just made me cry. Wow..what a speech.

And yeah; from the nurse who brought the babies out from the NYC hospital story, on out, I was tearing up/crying. Great speech.

On the sh*t-head side of things, I could *hardly believe that the rethugs were sitting there, arms crossed like lil bratty kids even when the President mentioned raising the minimum wage. Even simple things to make lower-wage Americans more prosperous are met with childish disdain by the rethug brats.

the 100 year old woman, had more energy than John Boehner! Great observation!

The Republicans in Congress would rather watch the US crumble than do anything. It's pretty sad.

That or drunk.

But he looked more angry than sad... Obviously, he didn't want to be there.

All that frowning and scowling makes you look very old and shows a dark soul.

Just thought someone should tell them!

But you'd better share!

I hope many good policies and legislation follow.

Yeah. In terms of policy, he's definitely the guy we want in there.

And thanks!