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kpete

(72,006 posts)
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:51 AM Feb 2013

DO IT!!! Universal Pre-K

Universal Pre-K

I support taxing the hell out of me and everybody else to make this happen. I don't claim deep knowledge about the research, other than that "pre-k is good and cost effective," but intuitively the benefits are pretty obvious. Whether you support the view of poor parents as being irresponsible unemployed drug addicts, or the view of poor parents as having insufficient time to nurture their children due to their attempts to make enough money by working 3 jobs, in both cases the issue is that poor parents are failing to provide time, attention, and education for their kids.

It's a low cost way to dramatically improve human welfare of the parents and the kids. Do it.

http://www.eschatonblog.com/2013/02/universal-pre-k.html#disqus_thread

xlnt research here:
Pre-kindergarten: What the research shows
http://www.centerforpubliceducation.org/Main-Menu/Pre-kindergarten/Pre-Kindergarten/Pre-kindergarten-What-the-research-shows.html

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DO IT!!! Universal Pre-K (Original Post) kpete Feb 2013 OP
What puzzles me about this idea: malthaussen Feb 2013 #1
Not really. IMO. MissB Feb 2013 #2
Exactly. This is not teaching the children "things" it is teaching them A Simple Game Feb 2013 #3
In my state it's all about ABCs and 123s LibertyLover Feb 2013 #4

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
1. What puzzles me about this idea:
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:05 PM
Feb 2013

Is it not an implicit admission that the education system we have set up does not serve our needs? So, rather than improve the system, we stick them in school earlier? This does not compute.

-- Mal

MissB

(15,811 posts)
2. Not really. IMO.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:24 PM
Feb 2013

Preschool helps kids explore their world. It is about singing, dress up, building castles with huge card board blocks, play dough, water tables and story time.

It isn't about ABCs and 123s.

Getting a group of 3 and 4 year olds together and letting them play at different stations (i.e. water table, play dough, dress up) for a few hours is excellent for the kids. Many parents can't provide that sort of an environment.

It is more about getting them ready and eager to learn than about learning. It may seem stupid, but kids that haven't had a chance to do those sort of things may be left behind by Kindergarten.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
3. Exactly. This is not teaching the children "things" it is teaching them
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:42 PM
Feb 2013

how to learn when they are most open to new ideas. It also teaches them how to interact with other children, something they may not get in their home life.

This is the exact opposite of No Child Left Behind where they are just taught by rote instead of learning how to use deductive processes. Children are taught the who, what, and where of things but are not taught the more important art of deducing the how and why of things.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
4. In my state it's all about ABCs and 123s
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:12 PM
Feb 2013

In the state I live in, in order for children to enter kindergarten and only stay one year, they must know their alphabet, both upper case and lower case, written and recited, numbers to 100, written to 20 and recited to 100, basic reading, basic addition and subtraction and how to write their own first and last names. They are tested prior to entering. If they do not, they are put in the remedial kindergarten class and will in all probability be held over a year. That means you have to send your child to a private pre-k school for at least 2 years prior to kindergarten so that they learn their alphabet, etc. My daughter came home from her second year of pre-k with homework most days. It only took a few minutes to do, but still, it was homework.

The public schools had no-cost pre-k classes, but they were needs-based and I earned too much money. They also only had 1 class per elementary school so even if you qualified based on economic need, getting a spot was like finding a diamond in a cracker jack box.

Yes, they played in pre-k - my daughter's classrooms both years did indeed have water tables and sand trays and easels. But first and foremost the children had to be taught the basics so they could enter kindergarten.

Almost 60 years ago now, I went to a private pre-k, or as it was known then, nursery school. I started at age 3 and spent 2 years in nursery school and an additional year in kindergarten before my mom transferred me to public school. I had to start my school career earlier than many children back then because my dad got sick and my mom went back to teaching school so that, in case he died or was incapacitated, she could support the family. We played, a lot, during those 3 years, but we also learned things like the alphabet and reading. The did wait until kindergarten to start on reading though.

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