He made them the day AFTER his partner asked for him to be reassigned.

What about these two data points does NOT point to the likelihood that his allegations were in retaliation to the perceived unfairness of his partner?

Dorner has little of value to say about the corrupt LAPD.

Because Dorner did not use a good method for exposing the LAPD does not mean the LAPD should not be exposed for their corruption, abuse of power, neglect of oath to the general public. It has been common knowledge for decades that the LAPD is a corrupt organization, this is just another glimpse of that well known fact. Maybe something should be done about the LAPD instead of just ignoring their bastardly behavior.

He killed people.

It's human nature to discount the ramblings of an insane person. Therefore, Dorner actually hurt his 'cause'.

and dismissed/discounted regardless of how often s/he is right thereafter. (Biden comes to mind.

place of employment.

There is no excuse for his 2nd amendment solution to being unfairly terminated.

then it's a straw man. BTW, please look up the definition of a straw man argument:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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Writing a manifesto, shooting people and then dying while being surrounded by cops means that his name will be remembered. Plus, he probably knew a lot of people would consider him some sort of martyr because of corruption. He accomplished what he wanted, I don't know if he intended to die, but I'm sure he wanted his name to be remembered rather he lived or died.

"You're not going to go all Dorner on me, are you?"

Dorner was a product of LAPD culture.

That's enough time to make him a killer?

He was a member of the Navy for over a decade.

You want to watch how hard you ride someone who has served in a war zone.

with problems since he was a kid. The guy wrote multiple stories in his manifesto detailing his violent overreactions to being insulted throughout his life. He was a jackass. I'm glad he's gone.

So glad for your diagnosis.

based on Dorner's own writings. Claiming he was the "product of LAPD culture" (or Navy culture, for that matter) is based on nothing more than one's own biases.

LOL!

or do you just want to be a jackass who makes snide remarks?

You're slipping.

Sort of scary that it didn't.

He had that capability within him when he put on the blue.
All they did was put him in a corner when he didn't match their expectations of him when they hired him.
Just like thousands of other organizations and jobs do to people who "don't fit".

Haele

He was only in the LAPD for less than three years. He'd been in the military. He had gone through school. Who knows exactly what made him what he was. But even though the LAPD is no one's idea of a model police force, the fact is that there are thousands of current and former members of the LAPD, undoubtedly a substantial number with grievances, who have gone on killing rampages and any suggestion that the LAPD "culture" is in any way responsible for his actions is lame.

but that would be an interesting fact. Your post seems to suggest you have some idea. Please share.

and a surfer it appears to be more of a killer's culture than defend and protect. I can see where a culture like that would produce an individual that would pick up arms to strike back.

so I think your assumptions need some back up.

Something people largely weren't talking about before Dorner.

The two shot up trucks of wrong make, model, color and passenger race/sex also are fairly obvious clues that the LAPD in general is about as sharp as a watermelon.

in the slightest? That a bunch of people online talk about LAPD corruption? The LA community, the FBI, and the DOJ are the only ones who have any impact on the LAPD.
What people think on DU--or the "national conversation"--means nothing, other than people buy into the justifications of a murderer,

It only effected students and faculty at UC Davis when Pepperspray Cop went for his little stroll too but it sure entered the public awareness and became part of the national conversation.

and it's not beginning. It's long standing. You haven't answered the question. The police aren't national. What do they care about "national awareness," particularly on websites?

I certainly don't expect that the LAPD is going to reform itself or be reformed from the outside, corruption and violence are a tradition there.

However seeing the roaches scurrying from the sunlight suddenly shone upon them is amusing in an unspellable German word sort of way.

No. No one who doesn't already hate the police is interested in Dorner's so-called manifesto. He wrote that in an effort to justify his murder spree. Anyone with sense can see as much. Nothing he has any credence. If he wanted to accomplish something, he should have filed a law suit and told his story to the press. But all he wanted to do is kill, so that is exactly what he did.

An idea so long established it was old when said in Latin.

It's the rare person that doesn't get a bit nervous when the blue lights start flashing behind them.

And then there's another old Latin quote, Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?

Old problems indeed.

Who have said the same things regarding the police culture of LAPD in the last 72 hours.

Where there is smoke...perhaps...there is fire.

But hey, if it makes you feel better the murdering scum is dead, nothing to see here.

One of the two former officers even wrote about vendettas from former officers and that he was surprised this took so long.

But hey, the straw pile is over there.

Unfortunately, he killed innocent people while making it all about himself.

hate Obama for using drones to kill terrorists (even US 3 citizens) in Pakistan and Yemen and Afghanistan in order to protect our troops and us. See how that works? Neither do I.

the left may be a little soft on crime??

so why are you putting those words in their mouths?

What people have said is that the allegations against the LAPD bear looking into and that any corruption should be exposed. Making those points does not mean people support what Dorner did. Nobody supports his decision to use violence, though many on DU have been accused of doing so.

Plus it creates a foundation for criticizing anyone who is not an authoritarian lover, and who wants an investigation of the allegations, to be called a Dorner sympathizer.

It's very possible that the LAPD corruption is what broke him as a human being, but he was not trying to remedy any wrongs. He was killing because he had become a psycho.

Where did you get your degree geek?

That's why I laugh every time I read someone posting bullshit like (and I paraphrase) "LAPD needed Dorner dead! LAPD wanted Dorner dead! They were afraid of what he was going to expose!"

LAPD wasn't afraid of Dorner in any other context than he'd already killed the child of a former LAPD bigwig and her fiancé and promised to kill more children (Dorner's words) and officers until he got satisfaction.

HELLO! What effect did the corruption and his job treatment have on his mental state?

did terrible things for which he was due some serious punishment AND i believe he had some legitimate observations about the deplorable racism and lack of ethics at LAPD.

Yep. Makes me a "fan".

I keep bringing up the point that one can condemn Dorner's murderous actions (which are obvious,) while also condemning the LAPD's long track record of violence, corruption and racism, which has been reported by lots of people, including two other LAPD officers that spoke up in the wake of Dorner's violence.

But if I criticize the LAPD, that means I endorse Dorner...

then I'm heading to Brooklyn to put a sold sign on the bridge.

It absolutely disgusting to have people defending him (a mass murderer) here. How many people think Allen West was completely sane? Killing people to make a point of your grievences isn't sane. Killing innocent, uninvolved people is .......what?

Yet he has cheerleaders here.

a large, ong ressearch rpoject interviewoing citizens of all walks of life after the war to find out why they particpated in the killing. Unfortunaely, the study concluded, as ahve many many studies since that one, that they were NORMAL.

Calling people crazy does not make it so. It is a way for you to feel better. He is not made of the same cloth that we are. no perosn i know would ever do such a thing. but the truth may be otheriwse, undortunately.

the book is called "They thought they were free." It is rather terrible to acknowledge, but under certain circumstances "sane" people will do terrible things. Remember the research project where they had people think they were applying electric shocks? Didn't at least half of the people actually do it?

But that has nothing to do with the veracity of his claims

but his horrible means doesn't diminish the issues with cops not a single bit just as crazy bastards blasting on random law abiding citizens didn't diminish the need to capture or if necessary kill Dorner.