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The SOTU show has grown tired (Original Post) RB TexLa Jan 2012 OP
Why do you say that? tridim Jan 2012 #1
I understand that Newt will bring strippers in as he delivers his... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #2
OMG BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #3
Far less tired than the RB TexLa Show, to be fair. nt Codeine Jan 2012 #4
A show that's LONG since worn out it's welcome. HughBeaumont Jan 2012 #15
It's been all re-runs for the last couple, three years or so now. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #16
You can always turn off your TV The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2012 #5
I agree cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #6
It is not mandatory to watch television - TBF Jan 2012 #7
No, it hasn't. MineralMan Jan 2012 #8
You forgot the sarcasm thingy. Vattel Jan 2012 #33
I agree. Is it really so much to ask... TheWraith Jan 2012 #36
I agree. RevStPatrick Jan 2012 #9
Man, Do I Agree! earthside Jan 2012 #10
Why should the President do it the old fashioned way when he can not only inform Congress shraby Jan 2012 #11
While ProSense Jan 2012 #12
It is in the Constitution. earthside Jan 2012 #13
Wait ProSense Jan 2012 #14
A written report provided to the Congress is easy enough to provide to the public RB TexLa Jan 2012 #17
And ProSense Jan 2012 #18
There aren't any for this, it's a staged show that should go away. A written report could actually RB TexLa Jan 2012 #19
The thread this morning falsely stated that Obama hasn't sufficiently Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #23
I agree. The Mrs and I were just discussing this last night Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #20
"The Mrs"... YvonneCa Jan 2012 #24
My wife? Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #25
That was my guess. Some of us... YvonneCa Jan 2012 #31
Fortunately, Kellerfeller Jan 2012 #35
... YvonneCa Jan 2012 #38
The guy can't win, can he? If he did that, people would be complaining Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #21
This doesn't have anything to do with the current president RB TexLa Jan 2012 #26
O.K., if you say do. I, for one, don't buy it! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #27
As many have stated in this thread, turn the T.V. off! It'll do all of us some good anyway. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #28
But we could have something much better. An actual reporting of the state of the union. RB TexLa Jan 2012 #30
When I'm tired of a thing, I turn it off or walk away. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #22
Duh! Republicans can't even read. They must be treated like children and FORCED to behave. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #29
Obama should also stop giving any speeches!!!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #32
I don't not watch the State of the Union - with YOU! /nt downwardly_mobile Jan 2012 #34
I don't watch. Once every four years it's simply a campaign speech. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #37

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
2. I understand that Newt will bring strippers in as he delivers his...
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:06 PM
Jan 2012

Perhaps you will find that more entertaining. If nothing else, watching Calista try in vain not to react and risk cracking her botoxed face should add some excitement.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
15. A show that's LONG since worn out it's welcome.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:47 PM
Jan 2012

What used to be fun to make fun of is now just getting tiresome.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
16. It's been all re-runs for the last couple, three years or so now.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:53 PM
Jan 2012

It was funny the first few times, but now it's just a re-hash of the same old scripts.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
6. I agree
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:23 PM
Jan 2012

A constitutionl provision meant to emphasize that the President is not above Congress has become a pageant of executive power held in the halls of congress.

TBF

(32,064 posts)
7. It is not mandatory to watch television -
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:26 PM
Jan 2012

I use it mostly for sports and occasionally a dog show or two.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
8. No, it hasn't.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:26 PM
Jan 2012

It's riveting, and is something everybody should watch each year. If you're tired of it, maybe you're just tired.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
33. You forgot the sarcasm thingy.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 09:42 PM
Jan 2012

You couldn't seriously be insisting that it is "riveting," could you?

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
36. I agree. Is it really so much to ask...
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 10:53 PM
Jan 2012

...to expect people to spend 90 minutes a year listening to the President of the United States talk? Sheesh. Okay, I can understand not watching a Republican do it, I studiously avoided almost all of Bush's SOTUs for fear of barfing, but it still deserved to be on TV.

 

RevStPatrick

(2,208 posts)
9. I agree.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:28 PM
Jan 2012

The applause game is totally ridiculous.
I think one of the most interesting messages Obama could send to the nation next year, would be to submit the SOTU to congress in writing. Other presidents have done that.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
10. Man, Do I Agree!
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:08 PM
Jan 2012

I pretty much stopped watching them in the last few Bush years.

The SOTU has become mostly an inside-the-beltway type television political extravaganza.

All the ovations and sitting on the hands and who shakes hands with who and who is sitting next to whom and who is in the gallery and who is sitting next to the First Lady and on and on.

Then there's the endless (it seems) analysis and commentary by the corporate media pundits ... you don't get that much after-the-event talk after the Super Bowl.

And, frankly the speeches are almost always well delivered (even Shrub did an okay job), but fairly pedestrian in content.

Of course, Reagan is mostly responsible for starting this trend. As I recall, he was the first to call attention to some notable individual who was sitting next to Nancy.

So, yup, I agree ... it would be a nice and perhaps substantive change if Pres. Obama would try something different and deliver a real report on the State of the Union to Congress "from time to time."

shraby

(21,946 posts)
11. Why should the President do it the old fashioned way when he can not only inform Congress
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:21 PM
Jan 2012

but all of the people at the same time in this day and age. Why should they be privy to what we all should know?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
12. While
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:25 PM
Jan 2012
The SOTU show has grown tired
It would be nice if after the election President Obama changed it to a printed resport delivered to the Congress. The constutition does not dictate that it be once a year or in person.

...they're at it, quit all that transparency stuff. It isn't in the Constitution so who cares?

earthside

(6,960 posts)
13. It is in the Constitution.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:36 PM
Jan 2012

Article II; Section 3

It is delivered to Congress, but is public whether written or given as an address.

Pres. Wilson was the first to give a SOTU address before a joint session of Congress.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
14. Wait
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:43 PM
Jan 2012
Article II; Section 3

It is delivered to Congress, but is public whether written or given as an address.

Pres. Wilson was the first to give a SOTU address before a joint session of Congress.

...transparency (and you know what I mean, WH records, televised sessions of Congress) is in the Constitution?

Here's what I said: While they're at it, quit all that transparency stuff. It isn't in the Constitution so who cares?

People are demanding more transparency from government, not less.

 

RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
17. A written report provided to the Congress is easy enough to provide to the public
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:25 PM
Jan 2012

There isn't any transparency issue.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
18. And
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:30 PM
Jan 2012
A written report provided to the Congress is easy enough to provide to the public

There isn't any transparency issue.

...the Congressional record is easy enough to search, why with televising hearings? No need for televised speeches, press conferences, anything, you can read about it after the fact.

Here's the thing, you don't have to watch. I doubt most people watch Congressional sessions. I doubt most people listen to the President's weekly address.

Where the hell are the "bully pulpit" advocates?



 

RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
19. There aren't any for this, it's a staged show that should go away. A written report could actually
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:33 PM
Jan 2012

contain real information and details about the state of the union as well as detailed complex solutions. Things that can't be given between the applause sign lighting up every thirty seconds.
 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
23. The thread this morning falsely stated that Obama hasn't sufficiently
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 04:34 PM
Jan 2012

utilized the "bully pulpit," like FDR did when he gave "fireside chats."

However, the president gives weekly addresses, often travels across country to chat with ordinary citizens, employers, and workers (at manufacturing plants, for instance). But because detractors don't watch C-SPAN or the Corporate Media refuses to air these discussions and events, they surely didn't take place now did they?

He also, from time to time, gives a state of the union address.

Were he to cease all of this activity, you and I both know that people would be bitching about "non-messaging," and screaming that the president isn't addressing the American people properly. The very same folks on this board who complain about bully pulpit issues would have something else to complain about.

These are the same people who then turn around and forget that there's two other branches of government--equally powerful--that have an important role in the governing process. These folks seem to think that the president simply waves a magic wand or hover over people--like LBJ did--threatening them to do his bidding. Can you imagine how that would go down in the media: some black dude threatening members of Congress? Not well, I would imagine (note to Jan Brewer apologists).

The guy can't win. I don't know why he even tries sometimes.

 

Kellerfeller

(397 posts)
20. I agree. The Mrs and I were just discussing this last night
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 04:22 PM
Jan 2012

It made sense when the President would use it to bring up and discuss important issues and treaties.

With today's media, it simply is not necessary. And because of today's media, it has become a campaign speech for whatever party holds the office.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
21. The guy can't win, can he? If he did that, people would be complaining
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 04:25 PM
Jan 2012

that he hasn't "made a pretty speech," or sufficiently utilized the "bully pulpit."

*sighing*

 

RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
26. This doesn't have anything to do with the current president
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 08:28 PM
Jan 2012

other than he can end the SOTU the way we know it the fastest because he is in office.

 

RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
30. But we could have something much better. An actual reporting of the state of the union.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 08:46 PM
Jan 2012

think about it we could have 1000 to 500 pages on both domestic and forign policy delivered.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. When I'm tired of a thing, I turn it off or walk away.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 04:28 PM
Jan 2012

When I believe a thing is tiresome, petulant, and self-aggrandizing, I turn it off or walk away. Were you then denied that opportunity...?



On second thought, never mind-- I think I'll either turn this thread off or simply walk away...

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