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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:06 PM Jan 2012

Where is Obama as police brutalize citizens?

Please Mr. President - DO/SAY Something....

(THIS IS NOT AMERICA!!!)



We have a Democratic administration in Washington.

We have an escalation of police being militarized.



(THIS IS NOT AMERICA!!!)

We are seeing the takeover of our public police force by corporations. Corporates hire the police we pay for with our tax dollars... to protect them from us. It is amazing.


MORE (tons of links)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/29/1059609/-where-is-Obama-as-police-brutalize-citizens-?via=siderec

NYT: when the police go military
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/04/sunday-review/have-american-police-become-militarized.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Alternet: How the Feds fueled the militarization of police
http://www.alternet.org/story/153567/how_the_feds_fueled_the_militarization_of_police

The Atlantic: How the war on terror has militarized the police
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/11/how-the-war-on-terror-has-militarized-the-police/248047/
Forbes: Militarizing the police
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bradlockwood/2011/11/30/the-militarizing-of-local-police/

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Obama has spoken out
But the events of the past six months show us that strategies of repression and diversion won’t work anymore. Satellite television and the Internet provide a window into the wider world – a world of astonishing progress in places like India, Indonesia and Brazil. Cell phones and social networks allow young people to connect and organize like never before. A new generation has emerged. And their voices tell us that change cannot be denied

http://www.cosmopolis.ch/english/politics/e0013000/transcript_obama_middle_east_speech_01300000000.htm
BUT: Unfortunately, those eloquent remarks were not directed at the US.

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imho
one more thing:
The President is NOT helpless:
He CAN Speak Out Or He Can:
talk about police brutality the same way Reagan talked about AIDS?!
F__k That, kp

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Where is Obama as police brutalize citizens? (Original Post) kpete Jan 2012 OP
k and r niyad Jan 2012 #1
He's at the White House. MineralMan Jan 2012 #2
don't you think he should know what to do? xiamiam Jan 2012 #6
Did I say that? I don't think I did. MineralMan Jan 2012 #7
He's the president, I think he knows what he ought to be doing. Iraq Veterans, nearly killed by sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #55
Last I read he was at the Alfalfa Club joking it up with his 1%er contributor hopefuls. Lionessa Jan 2012 #3
I think ProSense Jan 2012 #4
Funny it wasn't "absurd" when he spoke about Egypt.. or Libya SomethingFishy Jan 2012 #43
Perhaps he's waiting for another Harvard professor to get hassled hughee99 Jan 2012 #5
he is brutalizing people with drone attacks. nt msongs Jan 2012 #8
How many threads do you really need to start on the same subject? randome Jan 2012 #9
As many as it takes. RC Jan 2012 #12
K&R lsewpershad Jan 2012 #10
He has greater priorities than your pet issue. tritsofme Jan 2012 #11
?!? whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #15
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #24
Supporting OWS is not a prerequisite to be a democrat...and shame on you for implying that it is... Joe the Revelator Jan 2012 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Jan 2012 #40
Apparently there are precious few prerequisites for calling oneself a Democrat anymore. nt woo me with science Jan 2012 #42
Isn't that the sad god-damned truth. kath Jan 2012 #52
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Jan 2012 #57
Wrong! Wind Dancer Jan 2012 #31
What utter nonsense. nt woo me with science Jan 2012 #41
He's looking for his comfortable walking shoes. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #13
Yeah, where the fokkity-fok are those damned shoes????? kath Jan 2012 #53
Silent. Rex Jan 2012 #14
Fundraising. See, e.g., #3. As another example, on Jan 27, the haul was an anticipated $1,050,000 AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #16
He's somewhere where his consciense can't find him. K&R (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #17
What does occupy oakland have to do with Obama? Obamacare Jan 2012 #18
No. The Oakland PD is already under Federal supervision, EFerrari Jan 2012 #23
Obama has the legal authority to get involved where the local leaders will not. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #28
So what? The POTUS puts his life & the country on hold to babysit OWS? Is that seriously.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #33
Agent provocateurs =/= OWS protestors. "Professional activists"? Is that the "professional left"? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #34
OWS could use a little professionalism. randome Jan 2012 #35
In what way? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #36
"The tactics of OWS becoming more desperate & anarchistic as they fade from the headlines." Obamacare Jan 2012 #51
"where the hell is the governor of CA?" Isn't that the question everyone should be asking? Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #56
The DOJ is investigating police brutality. backscatter712 Jan 2012 #19
Any prosecutions yet? Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #21
I don't know. backscatter712 Jan 2012 #39
They were still trying to criminally prosecute the earlier cases from 2003 BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #45
Doing the job we elected him to do. hack89 Jan 2012 #20
There's Jerry, Feinstein & Boxer in the US Senate. Barbara Lee & Gary Peters in the US House. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #22
+1 redqueen Jan 2012 #25
They want a king, not a president. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #26
Well said. Joe the Revelator Jan 2012 #32
You make it sound like a local nuisance to you. Leopolds Ghost Jan 2012 #48
Well, an Obama led campaign to discredit and destroy OWS is one possiblity hack89 Jan 2012 #58
We have a Democrat as Governor of California. Cleita Jan 2012 #27
Does Governor Brown have a reputation for being shy? Where is he? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #29
Do you really want Daddy to solve this? OWS will lose it's potency... elias7 Jan 2012 #37
Yes, I want "Daddy" to demand the end of use of force against peaceful protesters. YES. Lionessa Jan 2012 #38
How about responding to my argument rather than my thesis elias7 Jan 2012 #49
I agree with you on the first part, but I doubt Obama is playing a chess game here (in the park) Leopolds Ghost Jan 2012 #50
I think OWS is the most exciting thing this country has seen in a long time elias7 Jan 2012 #54
kr Thanks for what should be obvious. nt PufPuf23 Jan 2012 #44
i think it is misguieded to think that arely staircase Jan 2012 #46
Some people seem to think that protecting federal civil rights Vattel Jan 2012 #47

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
2. He's at the White House.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:12 PM
Jan 2012

You can contact him and give your opinion as to what he should do there:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/

That's my suggestion.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
7. Did I say that? I don't think I did.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:48 PM
Jan 2012

I said that there was a way to contact him. And, so there is. Please don't read more into my post than I write. Thanks.

I assume that President Obama is informed about what happened in Oakland. What he decides to do is something we'll find out, I imagine. Contacting him at the White House might influence that. I do not believe he reads DU.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
55. He's the president, I think he knows what he ought to be doing. Iraq Veterans, nearly killed by
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 01:38 AM
Jan 2012

the Oakland PD, so many innocent civilians wounded and brutalized, wrongfully arrested and detained for exercising their 1st Amendment rights. Are you saying that a US President does not know what to do in a situation where civilians are being attacked and brutalized HERE? LBJ and JFK knew what to do.

If he needs us to email him, that is not a very good sign, is it? It's obvious. The OPD is known for its brutality, no Democrat should stand by and put citizens in danger from an organization known for its criminal brutality against US Citizens.

Even the UN has contacted the WH asking that they protect US citizens from these attacks.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. I think
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:35 PM
Jan 2012

he's looking for the Governor of the state, which people evidently have forgotten about.

You know, there were clashes like this throughout NY in the 80's and 90's, some worse, and there was no involvement by the current President.

Frankly, it's absurd to expect the President to get involved. Other than a passing comment at this time, what exactly is he supposed to do?

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
43. Funny it wasn't "absurd" when he spoke about Egypt.. or Libya
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:52 PM
Jan 2012

"Passing comment" from the most powerful man in the world? Yeah that isn't worth anything at all..

And by the way, Oakland was told 9 years ago to get their police under control. For 9 years they have done nothing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/judge-says-oakland-police-face-federal-takeover-if-city-fails-to-quickly-improve-department/2012/01/25/gIQAL0wBRQ_story.html

tritsofme

(17,379 posts)
11. He has greater priorities than your pet issue.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:21 PM
Jan 2012

For 99% of us, this whole "occupy" thing has been over for months, background noise.

Response to tritsofme (Reply #11)

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
30. Supporting OWS is not a prerequisite to be a democrat...and shame on you for implying that it is...
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 05:34 PM
Jan 2012

Personally, I think the 'movement' has gone about this the wrong way since the beginning.

Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #30)

kath

(10,565 posts)
52. Isn't that the sad god-damned truth.
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 01:12 AM
Jan 2012

Too many corporatists who call themselves "Democrats" in order to be elected.
People who call themselves "Democrats" who willingly put Medicare and Social security on the chopping block...
People who call themselves Democrats and make behind-closed-doors deals with Big Pharma and the blood-sucking insurance companies...
People who call themselves "Democrats" and don't give a flying fuck about the working person...

And on, and on and on and on and...

My grandfathers (who put their lives and livelihoods on the line for workers' rights) would find their beloved party absolutely unrecognizable.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
16. Fundraising. See, e.g., #3. As another example, on Jan 27, the haul was an anticipated $1,050,000
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:56 PM
Jan 2012

when he finished attending a fundraiser at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel.
http://dyn.politico.com/politico44/sidecar-archive/2012-01-28

He's either attending another fundraiser or preparing to attend another one.

 

Obamacare

(277 posts)
18. What does occupy oakland have to do with Obama?
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 03:57 PM
Jan 2012

The local leaders need to comment and get involved. The thread should be titled, where is the Governor of California and the mayor of Oakland. Obama has bigger fish to fry, as in the economy, wars, rethug obstruction etc!!

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
28. Obama has the legal authority to get involved where the local leaders will not.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 05:31 PM
Jan 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002238311

No Republican obstructionists are preventing him from doing so.

The only obstruction seems to be a conflict with his time commitments for fund raising.

On January 27th, for example, the anticipated haul from a fund raiser at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel was $1,050,000. http://dyn.politico.com/politico44/sidecar-archive/2012-01-28 Then thereafter, he was Alfalfa Club joking it up with his 1%er contributor hopefuls. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002237990

Some want him to protect citizens and their First Amendment rights. But of course, as you say, he may have "bigger fish to fry."

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
33. So what? The POTUS puts his life & the country on hold to babysit OWS? Is that seriously....
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:00 PM
Jan 2012

what you're suggesting? You do know that the Fed has to be careful not to be seen as heavy handed in these local matters, right?

Stop trying to raise the profile of OWS by scapegoating this president. It seems desperate, and mark my word, it will lose support from former allies, except those wedded to Ron Paul's campaign. Professional activists know that inciteful behaviour can be a powerful tactic, and can even grab a few headlines, but they should also be prepared to have public opinion turn against them.

I agree with the poster upthread who sees the tactics of OWS becoming more desperate & anarchistic as they fade from the headlines. I think it's beyond ironic that OWS claims to be leaderless, and above "politics", but you're here calling for the nation's top "political" leader to save their bacon, and give them a little publicity in the process.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
34. Agent provocateurs =/= OWS protestors. "Professional activists"? Is that the "professional left"?
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 06:37 PM
Jan 2012

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs was the first to disparage some by using the phrase the "professional left." Has he or anybody else at the White House begun calling peaceful OWS protestors "Professional activists"? Or did you make that up on your own?

 

Obamacare

(277 posts)
51. "The tactics of OWS becoming more desperate & anarchistic as they fade from the headlines."
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:54 AM
Jan 2012

I wholeheartedly agree! Throughout 2011 their protest seemed non-violent and peaceful. Now that the media no longer reports about them, they seem very desperate to up the crazy for attention. They may have good intentions, but they have gotten way out of hand. And now folks want Obama to get involved, not likely.lol Like I said before, let the local leaders get involved, where the hell is the governor of CA?

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
19. The DOJ is investigating police brutality.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:01 PM
Jan 2012

How soon we forget.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/doj-aggressively-investigating-police-bruta

Now people may make the argument that the Obama administration isn't doing enough to combat police brutality, but we can't say he's doing nothing.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
39. I don't know.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 10:22 PM
Jan 2012

Still, I just said the DOJ was doing something. I didn't say they were doing enough or being decently effective. The jury's still out on that.

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
45. They were still trying to criminally prosecute the earlier cases from 2003
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:06 PM
Jan 2012

that lead to the original consent decree against the OPD (the decree settling the civil suits).

From the original cases, 1 cop was acquitted and 2 have had mistrials. The 4th is a fugitive.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/04/BAUI15N8BA.DTL

I expect that next up would be the earlier assaults on OWS, and then this most recent one that happened over the weekend. Seems to be a backlog now...

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
22. There's Jerry, Feinstein & Boxer in the US Senate. Barbara Lee & Gary Peters in the US House.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:24 PM
Jan 2012

& Jean Quan in the Mayor's office. ALL DEMOCRATS, but let's just bypass all these many layers of representation, and go straight to the White House. Is this not the most ridiculous & inauthentic poutrage we've seen so far?


Obama's critics are putting in overtime in an effort to insinuate that he's against OWS, and I think it'll have unintended consquences in the way of public opinion.

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
48. You make it sound like a local nuisance to you.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:22 PM
Jan 2012

And yet feds trained with locals in an organized nationwide crackdown of Occupy in December, targeting the blue cities first. How is that possible?

I'm not saying Obama was responsible for that, I'm sure all elected officials were asking for it.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
58. Well, an Obama led campaign to discredit and destroy OWS is one possiblity
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 12:50 PM
Jan 2012

or perhaps the Federal law enforcement officials, when asked, simply advised local law enforcement the best way to handle protestors occupy public property.

Do you think the President is gunning for OWS?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
27. We have a Democrat as Governor of California.
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 04:50 PM
Jan 2012

He needs to get out there and now as it is more his responsibility than the President's.

elias7

(4,007 posts)
37. Do you really want Daddy to solve this? OWS will lose it's potency...
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 07:59 PM
Jan 2012

The point is that these scenes are what is building the power of OWS. If we want our favorite scapegoat to jump over the layers of authority whose job is to address this, fine, but don't be surprised if OWS losing all steam in the process. It is the anger that is building the movement. I believe Obama gets this and is wisely working behind the scenes as is his usual approach.

elias7

(4,007 posts)
49. How about responding to my argument rather than my thesis
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:26 PM
Jan 2012

No one believes force used against peaceful protesters is appropriate, but:
1) Who should be the first to step in: local, state or federal officials?
2) Is not the violence paradoxically helping to build the groundswell of support for OWS
3) By "daddy", I mean that no one ever said that protest would be met with civility on the part of the powers that be. We must face the potential risk to ourselves if we are going to fight for what we believe in.

On top of that, my opinion is that intervention by Obama's part is not appropriate at this point, and so I might conclude this is yet another reason for Obama bashers to bash Obama.

Could you respond to some of these points? Or do you not want to discuss...

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
50. I agree with you on the first part, but I doubt Obama is playing a chess game here (in the park)
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:27 PM
Jan 2012

with Occupy... I sadly suspect that his Administration and the folks around him are on the side of more conservative Democrats who criticise Occupy as rabble rousers here and elsewhere. That being said, what we need to make sure is that the Administration is not offering aid and comfort to enemies of Occupy in "cities that desire to address the problem" while leaving Occupy DC in place as a fig-leaf, since a crackdown on Occupy DC would require him to comment on the issue. Of course, there seems to be more energy in Oakland and NY than DC or anywhere else at the moment (although this is in part due to the weather).

elias7

(4,007 posts)
54. I think OWS is the most exciting thing this country has seen in a long time
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 01:31 AM
Jan 2012

I don't think it matters what side Obama is on. In fact, I think it's best if his administration keeps their distance. But I agree, it would be heartbreaking if they are offering aid to the enemies of Occupy.

I'm not invoking any chess game, nor have I ever. Obama's style however would indicate to me that his administration would first allow local and state responses, but if inadequate, I'd expect a stern warning to local law enforcement and civic officials regarding inappropriate use of force and preservation of 1st amendment rights...

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
46. i think it is misguieded to think that
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:17 PM
Jan 2012

just because the president doesn't jump out front and make public statements about something means he isn't doing the right thing. i am sure the justice department is watching this closely and the fact is a federal judge already on the case - has been since before the occupy movement and is doing so independently of the executive branch. because the president of the united states hasn't gone all pissed-off-blogger doesn't mean he isn't doing his job

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
47. Some people seem to think that protecting federal civil rights
Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:18 PM
Jan 2012

is baby-sitting, or not among the President's duties (see post 33). One irony here is that the DOJ has done a much better job under Holder using federal law to reform LOCAL police departments so that federal civil rights are more secure. Obviously the President should speak out against violations of federal civil rights regardless of whether the violators are federal, state, or local governments, and he should make the protection of federal civil rights a top priority.

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