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PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:36 AM Feb 2013

"The problem starts with Reagan, as problems so often do..."

American Assassination for Dummies
by Mark Ames

It’s hard to have a serious conversation about America’s drone assassination policy when no one seems to have a basic grasp of recent history. This cultural amnesia epidemic is starting to get me down— which is partly my fault for paying more than two minutes’ attention to Twitter at a single go.

The problem starts with Reagan, as problems so often do. Most people on the left take for granted that Reagan’s executive order 12333 "banned assassinations" — which is not just a false interpretation, but really awful mangling of one of the dark turning points in modern American history.

That same ignorance of the history of assassination policy runs right through today, with the repetition of another myth: That President Obama’s extrajudicial drone-assassinations of American citizens is "unprecedented" and "radical" and that "not even George Bush targeted American citizens."

The truth is a lot worse and a lot more depressing...

Read more: https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/assassinations

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"The problem starts with Reagan, as problems so often do..." (Original Post) PETRUS Feb 2013 OP
Words To Live By, Sir.... The Magistrate Feb 2013 #1
Indeed, the election of 1980 thucythucy Feb 2013 #2
Truth helveticas Feb 2013 #7
Reagan the root of all evil in politics today. William769 Feb 2013 #3
If you played Six Degrees Of Evil... Initech Feb 2013 #9
I saw a "I miss Reagan" bumper sticker the other day, looked fairly new. Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Feb 2013 #4
Yes. When the Vocal Minority turned the stupid up to 11 Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #5
Oh well, that makes it all OK! bvar22 Feb 2013 #6
At last, a rational response. PETRUS Feb 2013 #8

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
1. Words To Live By, Sir....
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:39 AM
Feb 2013

That piss-ant actor is indeed the proximate political source of damned near every problem facing our country today....

thucythucy

(8,069 posts)
2. Indeed, the election of 1980
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:08 AM
Feb 2013

was a turning point, and for the worse, in so many ways.

David Brooks, of all people, summed it up best for me on the PBS News Hour at the time of Reagan's death. Before Reagan was elected, he said, there was a common assumption that the US was gradually evolving into democratic socialism, something on the model of Sweden. Eventually we would get single payer health care, unlimited access to higher education, a basic right to decent housing, a cleaner environment, sustainable energy, liberalized drug policy, etc. etc. That the New Deal and, to a lessor extent the Great Society were set in stone, and we would evolve along their lines.

Reagan changed all that. We went from a New Deal/Great Society vision of government being there to provide a buffer against the worst unavoidable catastrophes life is prone to, and to offer opportunities to all, to the GOP Ayn Rand vision of government being evil, to be fought and shrunk and ridiculed, setting the "free market" lose and winner take all. "Trickle down" "voodoo economics," the end of any effort to cut our dependence on oil, a never ending "war on drugs" "just say no"--etc. etc. etc.

We're just now emerging from that dystopian nightmare. For all these reasons I think Reagan definitely ranks up there with G.W. Bush as the worst president since James Buchanon.

Initech

(100,080 posts)
9. If you played Six Degrees Of Evil...
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 06:01 PM
Feb 2013

You could tie everything back to Reagan and the BFEE in less than five.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
5. Yes. When the Vocal Minority turned the stupid up to 11
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:56 AM
Feb 2013

and the rest went along with it. And all because people are uncomfortable with change and jealous of what someone else might get.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
6. Oh well, that makes it all OK!
Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:35 PM
Feb 2013

Reagan started it!!!!
So its ALL GOOD!
Nobody should get all upset.

The fact that advancements in technology makes it so much easier to Reach Out and Kill Someone...Anywhere....Anytime really doesn't change anything,
and the fact that this power of extrajudicial Assassination and tolerance for civilian "Collateral Damage",
with a Unitary Executives keeping "Kill Lists" in a perpetual undeclared WAR against a WORD is NOW codified National Policy,
endorsed by both Political Parties,
doesn't change a thing.

Its ALL GOOD!!!
We have ALWAYS been at war with EastAsia!





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not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
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