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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust watched TIVO'd Rachel.. and am OVER THE MOON!
She is teasing her Monday show "HUBRIS" (The lies that got us into Iraq) and she is showing footage of the
MASSIVE, worldwide demonstrations that the mass media just seemed to 'miss' when they were happening.
I remember my FURY that nearly 100 thousand people were surging through the streets of Manhattan, and were only visible through NYC traffic-cams.
I just saw footage of those demonstration for the very first time on TV. On Rachel. In advance of her Monday's documentary.
Which no one should miss . . . .
[font color="red" size="6"]Which no one should miss[/font]
chemp
(730 posts)Worldwide there were 10 million people standing out in the cold protesting this ill-advised war of choice.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/lest-we-forget-ten-years-ago-anti-iraq-war-protesters-were-in-the-right/5323027
valerief
(53,235 posts)I'd been able to join it at the time) and zip-zero-zilch on all television stations.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)"free Mumia" podium... Didn't cover the march
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Since we are mostly rural and very conservative, there was an impressive turn out. The vigil was in an open lot on a street which is a bypass and heavy with truck traffic. Truckers honked and waved at us. No news media covered it. There was an article a week later in our local throw away paper. Mostly the protests were ignored across the nation.
AverageMe
(91 posts)so that people, such as myself, whose cable TV does not carry MSNBC can see it. It is news worthy since it explains why someone like Chuck Hagel would change his position on the war. Call NBC and ask them to broadcast it.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)I use this link alot....at times it is down but there are many others. May not be as pleasant as watching on a tv but it's better than missing it. imho
Welcome to DU!
AverageMe
(91 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)in some cold Canadian town.
and I feel proud that I along with all those mllions knew what the fuck was up with that fake war.
but some insider senators and leaders were dumber than we were? o yeh sure.
bread and butter wars, that is what Iraq was about. That is why I see red when some asshole politician wants us to forget how they voted, that is why I would choose any of those millions who knew to be leaders than those bread and butter fake pieces of shit that call themselves leaders.
CitizenPatriot
(3,783 posts)I remember it well. No one covered it but the Tea Party got endless coverage. Saddest f-ing press debacle yet.
PatSeg
(47,496 posts)it is so important that we never forget. It is so important that the truth become a part of history for upcoming generations.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)They were all massive. I stood on the sidewalk on Market street and anyone who knows San Francisco knows how wide that street is since it has many lanes for cars and lanes of tracks for the electric trains going in both directions. It was packed with people from one side of the street to the other and I stood for two hours watching them march by. There had to be many tens of thousands of people marching that day. The media barely mentioned it or any of the other massive demonstrations leading up to both wars.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Market Street was wall-wall for the entire route. I remember CNN reporting that "several thousand" people had showed up. That's when I understood with certainty that we were being lied to.
diane in sf
(3,913 posts)xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)We stepped out of the march to get some lunch. 45 minutes later we walked back to the corner and joined the continuing throng as if we hadn't missed a step.
NWHarkness
(3,290 posts)It was 3 degrees above zero that day.
We marched from Grand Circus Park to Cobo Hall. We filled Washington Boulevard across from side to side for six blocks.
Later, we did get some local media coverage. They all reported that "several hundred" demonstrators had participated.
Delphinus
(11,831 posts)excited to see that - I will be sure to be in front of the TV to watch this.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)bcool
(219 posts)...and there were lots of protests. I told my wife, "If anybody asks, say we're from Canada."
There was also a big one in London right before we took the Chunnel to Paris. I was amazed there was no coverage in the U.S. media about those protests. Disgusting.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)I was in England the day he finally resigned in June 2007, and BBC news showed a crowd of people booing as his car drove away from #10 Downing Street. The commentator said that most of the crowd had lost family members in Iraq or had themselves been injured.
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R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I remember lots of people joined in solidarity. I don't remember lots of news coverage.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)just1voice
(1,362 posts)Nothing. Members of the elite are free to commit any crimes they want which most people are already fully and painfully aware of.
Conspiracy to commit war = treason.
Setting up torture camps = violation of 1996 War Crimes Act.
Wiretapping Americans by the 1000s = felonies.
It all means nothing to the elite.
jerseyjack
(1,361 posts).... what's that? Impeachment is off the table?
Well, when Obama gets inaugurated, there will be a war crimes trial and then we will see Bushies frog-marched bef....
What's that? There will be no prosecution from Holder?
Oh well. Then I won't waste my time on the documentary.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)Zambero
(8,964 posts)As the truth continues to trickle in, the diehard proponents and instigators of the Iraq War in the Senate are taking a short break before returning to re-skewer their former colleague Chuck Hagel over his record of opposition to continuing said war -- once he concluded that our presence there had been based on false assumptions and bad intelligence. As one GOP senator has noted, this guy was downright mean to poor President Bush and dared criticize those in his own party who favored further escalation. After all, who amongst your "distinguished" colleagues should even care about body counts in the face of lies, Senator McCain?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)calimary
(81,304 posts)the war started. My kids were even interviewed by our local ABC affiliate.
I remember the internet coverage - TONS of people. TONS. On EVERY continent, including Antarctica - where there was a scientific expedition and they all got together and formed a human peace sign on the ice there.
I remember seeing the mighty river of people marching through New York City - during the republi-CON convention in 2004. The people just kept coming and coming and coming - and only CSPAN had it. It was like everything else was The Untouchables and Unmentionables. The whole mainstream media was compromised.
I remember thinking - if I was running one of those news departments and was told that I must not cover the opposition or give them ANY face time, much less equal time, or I'd lose our White House credentials, I'd make THAT the story. Because if you think back, and if you were watching all this via the internet, or even just simply here on DU, you'd know there were LEGIONS of people available to speak, be interviewed, present intelligent and fact-based arguments - maybe everyone was afraid to let the other side's voices be heard because they might be persuasive. That's certainly what we've seen from the NRA and the gun lobby - that's bullied and outshouted and intimidated ANYONE who wants to put forward an opposing view. Hell, they made sure it was against the law even to do RESEARCH, even to STUDY the effects of gun violence on society, business, and families.
I would have gone 24/7 with nobody but those speaking out against the war and against being silenced and vilified and demonized because they weren't gung-ho for war. I would have made THAT the story. And I know there would have been NO anchors sitting there with empty guest chairs. There were THOUSANDS of intelligent and credible and knowledgeable spokespeople to choose from who were VERY available and eager to put forth OUR side of the case, and totally ignored.
I still burn with anger over that! SO pleased that Rachel Maddow is pushing forward with this. SOMEBODY. FINALLY.
FINALLY!!!! Ten years later and at least four thousand unnecessary American deaths, plus who knows how many innocent Iraqis died? And nobody even cared to try to count them. And george w bush and the dick cheney and paul wolfowitz and donald rumsfeld and all those war hard-ons are still walking around free as birds, when they should be sitting in some war crimes tribunal, in leg irons, in the Hague.
It's gonna steam me, too. But it's stuff that needs to be said and looked at and studied and dissected and the truth HAS to be pushed forward.
EVERYBODY MAKE SURE YOU WATCH!!! And then Tuesday morning start calling Congress.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)walking free. They've made hundreds of billions on war profits. Cheney's Halliburton shares were worth 5 dollars a share before the war and went up to $120 a share. The contracts went through his office as VP.
These blood soaked greedy bastards should be putting on blindfolds and lighting up cigarettes.
johnnyreb
(915 posts)Music video of the protests, ~nine million views;
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Rachel's "Hubris" comes along in the nick of time.
Because the neo-cons are still out there. And they sure would like to see a war with Iran.
Folks need to be reminded of how we were lied into war in Iraq ...... so we don't allow them to lie us into another senseless war!
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)by blocking Burnside Avenue (the main east-west arterial) with a sitdown strike and going out onto the I-405 freeway with bicycles. That was after I left the 30,000-person march.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)Diyames
(30 posts)Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)Although I'm afraid it will make me mad all over again.
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)The Washington Post was a huge cheerleader for the war and will be for the next one, as well. Fred Hiatt, the editorial page editor, would have it no other way - he's got Jennifer Rubin on staff to beat the drums for war and the neocons incessantly.
We had hundreds of thousands at the marches, and were lucky to get mentioned at alll at the bottom of page 7A.
mnhtnbb
(31,392 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Not only did they do all they could to not show these protests, as I said in another thread they did all they could during the Bush installation 1/01 to not show the very large protest crowd in Washington DC demonstrating against the coup that put Dubya in in the first place.
Contrast all that with them going out of their way to show it whenever 35 tea party types happened to gather.
If big media had done their job, by asking tough questions instead of cheerleading, by having an equal number of anti war and pro war experts, by MSNBC not firing Phil Donahue (their highest rated show at the time) because he dared to question this military action, maybe we could have stopped this insanity.
I've got my DVR set, I can't wait. Tell it Rachel!
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)aided and abetted the illegal, immoral invasion and occupation for the benefit of oil companies that wanted to steal Iraq's natural resources.
There is no statute of limitations on war crimes.
AndyA
(16,993 posts)I say go for it. It's a discussion that should have been had a long time ago.
It's kind of a big deal when the President, Vice President, Secretary of State, and Secretary of Defense tell lies to start a war. Those wars that killed more Americans than the terrorist attack that was blamed for the wars.
Let's not even get into the intelligence that was ignored prior to the attacks. It's infuriating that members of Congress are making such a big deal about Benghazi, yet they still don't want to talk about the months prior to 9/11.
I will definitely be watching! Go Rachel!!
arikara
(5,562 posts)along with thousands. We knew. Everyone knew that it was a lie and a fraud. We knew there were millions protesting all over the world and that the media was ignoring us everywhere.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)I had no idea. I knew there were marches and rallies but I had no idea the extent. Can I blame part of it on living in Utah? No, I shouldn't. There were other personal reasons why I missed out but the extent is far beyond my recall.
Never again.
Stainless
(718 posts)I am a Veteran of the Vietnam Era. In early 2003 I was working as a contract designer for a small engineering company just North of Salt Lake City. There was a lot of discussion in the office about going into Iraq. When I questioned the validity of the intelligence and the integrity of those making the claims, I was called unpatriotic by a sycophantic chicken-hawk co-worker who had never served in the military. Since I was in the process of being hired as a regular emloyee with benefits for a large defense company I just smiled and ignored the SOB. I left that company within a month after the invasion of Iraq. My opinions about the MSM and the pinheads they cater too were forever altered.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)IIRC, the wind chill was -17°F. I told my fellow activists to watch the "news" cameras. They were strategically placed to capture the sparse fringes of our mass of humanity.
I got "interviewed" by CNN--they managed to crop all but a trite exchange about the weather. I know this because a friend in Arkansas heard my voice on the tellie and rushed into her den to hear what I had to say (she knows I would have a pithy comment or two...). She called me later to find out what I REALLY said!
ReRe
(10,597 posts).... if her co-anchor was Phil Donahue? I will never forget when MSNBC fired him.
Don't worry, I will be watching.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)The crowd was massive, blocks and blocks long. And there was NO media coverage. Except for the fact that 4 or 5 people were arrested.
The NYC march was huge. Went to a lot of anti-war protest during that time, in NYC and DC. Amazing time, even if it wasn't covered by the US press. I just wanted the world to have some idea that a lot of people knew what the Bush administration was trying to do.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)innocent people. Make refugees out of millions. I am going to email her a reminder to be sure and watch.
tpsbmam
(3,927 posts)I try to watch RM live but don't always catch it. Set the DVR to record it just in case.
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)I covered the one in D.C. - half a million people strong. The media said 10,000, I think the biggest report was 100,000. They sh owed up in the first 5 minutes and left, didn't count everyone who came late because they shut down the subways and trains trying to keep the marchers out of DC, but it didn't work.
Also had an anti-war march with 2,000 protesters in conservative Coronado when Bush came to visit the same year.
napoleon_in_rags
(3,991 posts)I was walking across the street with other protesters (in Seattle) when this Ford Bronco came speeding at me. I was oblivious, and he slammed on his breaks at the last minute, screeching to a halt, swearing at me inside his car. For some reason he was focussed on me personally. The other protesters offered to call the police, but I declined. But its a serious memory to me.
SO many people on the street. I remember it so well. And the government didn't care at all.
Then the protests after the war started in Seattle, with operatives with M-16s pointed at protesters, to enforce their horse shit, that we all know as a lie. Americans with assault rifles pointed at us to enforce religious worship of bullshit.
It was crap, it was demonism, and history will show that. The reasonable prevail.
PEace! Love to Maddow for keeping that arc of history moving forward.
-Me
Botany
(70,516 posts)... who were on both sides of one of the main roads w/ candles for about 1 mile and in Downtown
Columbus OH we had protests all the time but very little of it ever showed up in the local media.
gtar100
(4,192 posts)Because that is what they did and they got what they wanted.
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)and spoke out against the Iraq war before it started and did an interview that landed on the front page of my local paper. Since that time I haven't been liked very well around these parts by some. The truth is more important than a popularity contest the way I see it.
kickysnana
(3,908 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)that the truth is being documented, and will finally be seen by many who will have had NO IDEA until now.
This is, at least, for the history books.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Opposing the war was very easy in Europe, no one ever really disagreed, the media was pretty much on our side.
My respect to all people who stood up against this madness while having to face all the shit coming from the usual suspects. I remember ruining our family get-together in NJ in 2003 by constantly bringing up the topic. My cousin was married to a barely functional RW type of guy who totally lost it when I completely destryoed his gung ho arguments for the war. It was so crazy. Explaining why the war was wrong and immoral wasn't easy when dealing with people who couldn't locate the middle east on a map.
Crazy times. I was so naive as to believe that the RW overstepped; that there would be trials, the truth exposed. I left DU for the first time after that was "off the table". Can't believe how long it's been since then. Feels like yesterday.
Tanks, tanks, tanks. Bombs, bombs, bombs. Nuclear heat-seeking battleships. Shake yer hips, raise your fists, tell 'em they can kiss yer' ass if they come knockin' for us kids.
You needed a dependable work force so you created a drug ware n' got one in orange.
Now on the backs of the poor, you're taking over the world by force. Whatever for?
Mr. Rumsfeld, a question from me to you. If Saddam is such a jerk then why in 1982 did you give him a pair of gold spurs? If you ask me how I feel my friend,
I'd say "actions speak louder than words." If you ask me how I feel Mr. Military Man,
I'd say "actions have spoken louder than words." Woo-hoo!
tavernier
(12,392 posts)We are not allowed to speak ill of any past republican president. Traitors will be vanquished, their histories erased from future American documents, and the speaking of their name shall be forbidden for a thousand years.
Hagel is finding this out. He should have played it safe and spoken against Kennedy or Carter or Clinton. There is no such rule that applies to "the others".