cheney - and all his little neoCON friends should be in leg irons.

and then jail them

the Bush family bought all that property in South America where extradition is not a part of the legal system.

...they make their future plans, just in case. It seems like I remembered this, but when you said it, the Senior moment hit. Thanks.

They've bought hundreds of thousands of acres - looks like even that weasel Neil Bush was involved.

And it was thought to be purchased ahead of expected war crimes charges.

...that the Bush Administration would not sign on to the ICC (International Criminal Court). I think he also made some flippant comment about not having to abide by International Law. Didn't he also say, derogatorially that the Constitution was nothing but a "piece of paper"? GWs years in the WH were such a nightmare to me. How I lived through that, I will never know.

Had it not been for Jacob Weisberg's Bushisms posted on Slate and also on daily calendars I kept myself supplied with, I'm not sure I'd have lived through those eight years with my sanity intact. Can't wait for Rachel's program tomorrow. Keeping the faith that the truth might set us free. Or at least land Bush and his evil minions in jail!

I know--dream on. Or perhaps that should be nightmare on. It just doesn't seem to end!

Without DU, I probably wouldn't even be here, as a stroke or heart attack would have taken me out. DU members let me know I wasn't alone and I wasn't wrong.

BTW, I am also from the Class of 56! Great time to grow up.

Thanks for being here on DU! The 50s did seem like a more peaceful and uncomplicated time to grow up, huh? I'd have probably liked things better if my family hadn't been so danged poor, but hey--we got by! No longer that poor, but not sure where I'd be emotionally if I hadn't found DU when I did. One thing I know--money is not everything! There are times I almost feel sorry for those who think it is.

Cheers!

I don't remember social standing meaning that much back then. We had just finished WWII and were on a fun ride through the 1950s with all kinds of revolutionary changes in the way we lived and all the new concepts that came out with new inventions, bright colors (after many years of dull shades for clothes, housepaint, cars, etc.) and a big relief that rations were a fading part of memory. I babysat for a quarter/hour, filled the gas tank with gas at a quarter/gallon and bought my school clothes by detasseling corn each summer.

I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat (if we had air conditioning).

Both when GWB did it and now that PO has done it. Not being a signator to the International Criminal Court looks to me like an admittance to guilt in the breaking of International Law. Do you suppose PO knows nothing about this?

is that Paraguay apparently does have an extradition treaty with the U.S.

property sitting on the largest aquifer in the world

Two birds w/ one stone, I guess.

While we are gnashing our teeth and worrying about oil and climate change, problems that exist right now, the people that matter are setting up for the next big thing, fresh water.

This is how it works, has always worked. They were preparing for the inevitable collapse of the world's oil supply 50 years ago. They have known about and been preparing climate change for forty years. Overpopulation for 50. Soil depletion since the 40s, and so on.

Fresh water, through overuse and pollution, is going to make the cheap energy problems of today seem like the "good old days" in the next 50 - 100 years and they're already getting in place to take maximum advantage of that crisis as it develops.

I am trying really hard not to be underwhelmed. I love Rachel, but this is so long overdue. I will definitely be watching.

Glad you're here! I cannot wait for this! It's gonna be old news to many of us who tried like hell to fight this war, stop it before it started, stop it after it started, stop it any way we could. Even just trying to be heard!

But I'm glad it's getting out there in the open! I hope it rocks the boat a LOT!

Appreciate the welcome!

This is such old news though, I have a really hard time getting excited about it. It's been in the open and nothing came of it....so I'm a little underwhelmed with it all, but glad it's rising it's head again.

Thanks again!

... how the "naysayers" always turn out to be right in the end?

I remember one post I made here awhile ago - along the lines of "I'm sick of being right" - and not being listened to. This whole site here, DU, is full of people who could easily make that statement. SO MANY of us were correct about bush/cheney, the war, Saddam, EVERYTHING. We DU "naysayers" have proven more reliable than a brand new compass.

There is probably a lot of documentation in the DU Archives that won't be in the MSNBC special. DU was all over that for a long time....

Sam

It could just be a compilation of stuff we have already known for 11 years.

But, who knows? Maybe Rachel found something new.

...for the first time. Maddow has announced that many new whistleblowers are stepping forward and new documents will be shown as well.

As intel agency officials retire, they may be more inclined to speak. As statutes of limitations expire, people get bolder. As more voices join the chorus, a critical mass can be reached to turn the tides.

We also have new waves of elected officials who are not tied down by baggage. Anyone who voted for the Iraq war in 2002 is compromised because they either fell for Bush's lies like suckers, or they actually still believe the lies! Remember this was a major issue in the 2008 primaries and before. Hillary came out in 2006 with her "If I knew then what I know now" excuse.

All these things contribute.

Not that a vast majority of the citizenry has already figured this out, it's that it is getting on a major news entity that is often not so willing to rick the boat.

I wonder how many politicos will actually be embarrassed or feel the pain when this gets aired and whether there will be some kind of technical glitch that makes it impossible for many to see...?

And i wonder if the POTUS is going to do anything different than he already is willing to do about this shit. Then, too, one has to wonder if he has a gun to his head over what he actually does about anything in this issue.

Can't wait to see it and see if there's anything revealed that serves as a catalyst for actual change in paradigm here.

Sadly, all that will come of this is some crying over spoiled milk.

There was not much new to me in Fahrenheit 911 but put together it was overwhelming to me, someone who was paying attention. To those who hadn't been it made their heads explode. This is all true? Surely he's making shit up! No?! It's all fact?! Bush, that motherfucker! And what an ugly mother to fuck.

To quote him exactly:

"So?"

“look, the whole european commonwealth plus many more countries thought he had weapons” bullshit!

But fail to mention Clinton never went to war with Iraq (though he did do aerial assaults).

so therefore, the Iraq war is Clinton's fault?

Is that really the argument you are making?

can you ask that again because I don't understand.

Killing by sanctions isn't really called war then, lots of kids died because of those sanctions but if you don't want to call it war, call it whate4ver you like, call it Padisysyallassi, but Iraqi citisens suffered greatly under Clinton.

Clinton was part of it all, is it his fault Bush Jr was a mass murdering giggling idiot that took it to the extreme? No, but Clinton had a part of killing Iraqis and weakening Iraq.

and be done with it. That should take care of the confusion with labels. And yes I agree all three were part of it all.

Iraq looking for evidence of WMDs and didn't find any. Blitz was ordered out of Iraq so that jr. could get his invasion on. I doubt that Clinton or Gore would have proceeded with an invasion once the inspections failed to find any evidence of WMDs.

Ignoring facts that do not fit your narrative does not help your cause.

The fact that most politicians around the world thought Iraq had WMD doesnt change the fact that invading after UN Weapons inspectors were on the ground and reporting there were no weapons there means that Bush and his administration committed war crimes.

If your agenda is to blame Democrats, the facts might be a bit frustrating, but in terms of Bush and Cheney and the rest of that awful admin, they are guilty as hell. Period.

Doesn't make it right. Doesn't allow for excuses that some of us weren't quite as bad as Bush.

No, not until we all see that we misuse our military power will there ever be true peace. I do understand that many never would want true peace, and they will continue to dredge up excuses. But they will all go to hell in due time, eh?

I campaigned for Gore, I fought the election theft, I marched in peace marches in 2003 before the war and after. I did everything short of unlawful measures to stop the war. But I still payed taxes and I did not emigrate.

I believe though that only two organizations are truly guilty here and that is the Bush administration and the Blair administration. The latter makes me really sad because outside of the Iraq war, I really liked Tony Blair.

Bush was determined to go to war and nothing would have stopped him. He had a Republican House of Representatives that would not have impeached him nor would it have ever contemplated a Boland like amendment. But of course, we see with Reagan how much a Boland amendment means. It means nothing unless congress is willing to impeach the President over breaching it.

The right wing democrats share in the deceit. Were it up to the left wing democrats, it would have been stopped. And had we had the support that all can now see should have been freely given, it could have been stopped.

We didn't stop it and so we share in the blame.

Stopped how?

You honestly believe that without passage of the IWR, the Republican House of Representatives in 2002 or 2003 votes to impeach George W. Bush over going to war in Iraq?

Think about what you are saying because it makes no sense whatsoever.

I get that you want to make excuses. But I quarter no excuses. Too many people died over the lies and ineptness of our leaders to stop the slaughter BEFORE it happened. Sorry, I ain't buying what you are selling.

Why don't you just accept that we were wrong and get on that bus? Why keep fighting to enforce what we all know was the wrong thing?

explain to me under what circumstances you see a Republican House of Representatives in 2002 or 2003 voting to impeach George W. Bush for invading Iraq even without an IWR.

And realize that is only the beginning. Republicans had control back of the senate in January of 2003 so you would have needed all Democrats and 18 Republican Senators to vote to convict.

Its fine to believe whatever you want to believe, but ultimately you have to give way to reality and facts. Tell me which Republicans in the House and Senate you think would have voted to impeach Bush for invading Iraq.

You can save yourself a lot of time and effort by just admitting this assertion of yours is a ridiculous one.

What the heck are you babbling about now? I never said anything about impeachment. I am saying it could have been stopped. Remember the votes?

What I am saying is that many right wing democrats, Clintons included, stepped aside as Bush lied and people died.

Most of us here on DU were against the Iraq war. We marched and protested against it. We were not wrong. Maybe you went along with the Bushies and the complicit media and therefore have the gall to write things like this:

"Why don't you just accept that we were wrong and get on that bus? Why keep fighting to enforce what we all know was the wrong thing?"

But don't try to pull us all into it. Many of us knew as we marched in Manhattan and Washington that the lies about WMD and all that crapola was wrong. We knew it then and we know it now that it was all about "blood for oil".

Rachel's piece will be a sad trip down memory lane for many of us. I'm glad she is doing it. She is truly emerging as our Murrow. And let's not forget Cenk Uygur who turned down the big contract with MSNBC rather than tone down his questioning of establishment figures with ties to all the Iraq War/Bush mess.

knobs.
One had to be deaf and blind not to notice the incredible amount of bullshit that US and to some degree UK (Toni, I am talking about you, you fucking arsehole) were trying to sell to the citizenry.
I do not buy for a damn second that your or mine, or anyone else's politicians were "fooled". bullfuking shit. They bloody well knew what was going on and decided to play a game, hoping that if they win, they would be the ones writing history. Fuck them. Every single one who voted for that war is a war criminal. That would include most of your Senate and Congress and most of our House.

"We" the people in UK didn't believe it. 10 million of us on one single day marched against that war. That's about 1 out of 6 people in UK. If we could see bullshit for what it was so could they, assuming they were willing.

There was no proof either way until the UN Weapons Inspectors were on the ground examining the sites.

And I dont believe the bullshit you are peddling that "people knew". Nobody knew. People had suspicions one way or the other, they didn't "know". It was a boolean proposition, yes they had them or no they didn't and you happened to guess right, that doesn't mean you "knew".

If you have a progressive bone in your body, you know the difference between assuming or supposing something and a hard fact. Until an impartial body looks at something and says it is or is not there, you are doing the former, not the latter.

There was no fucking Boolean proposition. There was "prove the negative" that Shrub and Toni kept insisting on, and if you have even an ounce of integrity in YOUR body you'd know it for what it was.

There were reports by UN inspectors who were saying that chances that Saddam had WMDs were so low as to be laughable.

There was "yellow cake" bullshit

Did you conveniently forgot about Downing Street Memo? Or are You going to tell me only 2 people were privy to it contents?

Bush-Aznar memo?

Iraq dossier?

Your fucking piece of shit Colin Powell masterful performance in UN?

Moronic pictures of fuck really knows what that "I" was told to believe we're mobile weapons labs? Even so experts were saying it was extremely unlikely?

Hysterical statements by Ahmed Chalabi?

This is just a top of the iceberg. If anyone of your or mine politicians wanted to make sure they knew what was going on, they could. They decided not to because their political feature was more important to them than starting a war of aggression based of fake premise.

I repeat my statement: every single one of them who voted for that war is a war criminal.

If YOU had a progressive bone in YOUR body, you would know there were no hard facts presented before that war. None. Nada. Zilch.
There were allegations that didn't bear scrutiny.
There were appeals to patriotism.
There were statements based on hearsay (Chalabi and others comes to mind)
There were shitload of demands to prove negative.
That's bloody it.

NOTHING ELSE.


But go ahead, keep insisting that some of your politicians are whiter than white and were against it before they were for it if it makes you feel better.

The people didn't know, the Congress didn't know, the media didn't know, but the intelligence agencies did know. That's the stated point of this special, the accounts of dissent within the government and how they were treated.

There have been three cases I know of where agents found out their dissents were being steamrolled only as the principals were giving public speeches. In Hubris, Zinni talks of almost choking on his lozenge when Cheney tells the Veterans of Foreign Wars WMD have been found. Another career intel official threw his shoe at the TV when he heard Bush make a similar comment.

Tyler Drumheller, the European Chief of the CIA was flabbergasted to hear in Colin Powell's address that Curveball was referenced when he had already been assured he was removed. Overseas, the Brits knew - the Germans knew, their paper trails are also documented.

Those of us out on the street protesting had hunches, but couldn't prove it.

So I think the thrust of this book/TV special will be learning how those inside the government who actually knew were squelched and ignored.

But you're right that there needed to be inspections on the ground. Powell thought WMD would eventually be found, even though there had been no real evidence beforehand, they'd rustle something up and that all would be okay. Hans Blix not only said his inspectors saw no evidence of WMD, but that Cheney took him aside and told him to lie to Bush, to say there were, or he'd be discredited.

So, by all means, invade!

No. That is criminal.

Millions of ordinary people all over the world were astute enough to look at the facts and conclude that it was bullshit. I think that the politicians went along knowing full well it was a lie. Perhaps out of fear of Cheney and his insane monkey, perhaps they did it to be self serving, but in the end every one of them that went along with the invasion are culpable too.

Deja Vu all over again.

been wrong about, say the Niger documents, or say, the trucks that were moving WMD launch sites or say that Hussein was supporting Al Qaeda. Could have been wrong about one, maybe two of those things. But the Bush administration was wrong about everything. They built a case for war based on lies and nothing more.

They relied on statements made by a prisoner who was being tortured. But . . . . what else did the tortured prisoner say that they chose to ignore?

They relied on obviously forged documents?

They ignored the report of the UN investigators which was presented to the UN before we entered Iraq.

Read the Vanity Fair article on the weeks and days before the war. That was published in April 2004. I will never forget reading that article. The whole war was a hoax, and I'm glad that Rachel Maddow is finally reporting on it.

I'd forgotten about that...but does the media still have the same fear of Cheney today? He was able to get stories killed left and right when he was in power and for years after. I remember when 20/20 withdrew their rumored show about Cheney being on the DC Madam's list.

Then, the news never reported that Halliburton paid over $500 million in fines for bribes made when Cheney was CEO. Cheney had a strong influence over the media for so long. The worst was Sean Hannity, setting up softball questions one after one like a bootlicking puppy dog...

Good to have you with us! The worst may have actually been Tim Russert, who sat there nodding and smiling and giving cheney and all the rest of 'em loads of facetime on "Meet the Press" - not challenging them, not questioning, just happily letting them pass all this false information along to the gullible public. Delighted and smug as could be that he had all that damn precious all-important access. He's to blame for this. When they stovepiped raw, unvetted "intel" straight from the street to cheney's office, Tim Russert was willingly the mainstrem media stovepipe they used to hose America.

Good blast from the past. The drawings look like they were done by the Mad Magazine guys.

Let the record show that MSNBC's parent NBC dropped the ball bigtime and that Press The Meat swallowed whole the Bush propaganda. But Bob Schieffer over at Face The Nation was not so gullible. See how busted Rumsfeld was when he tried to deny his own statements after everything came crashing down....you do not often get caught in a lie so badly on live TV, but here it is...

liar. These scum don't even have the decency to be embarrassed by their blatant lies. Yet these same assholes view themselves as morally superior. And, of course, the lack of outrage from most Americans at this duplicity just seals the deal.

So true, isn't Rumsfeld just so pompous to Schieffer seconds before he was caught in the lie?

It's like he is incredulous anyone deigned to question him. So the clip is the real height of hubris, arrogance mixed with lies and incompetence. He was humbled instantly, muttering that he tried his best to present the best information he had at the time. What a dickweed. A must see video...

... and now we have his son.

And David (I proudly party with kkkkarl) Gregory is carrying on the legacy.

"Go fuck yourself!"

Stay classy Darth, stay classy.

too fucking many

I got it, I have the answer....this why the GOP hates women so.

This is why they have been waging a war on us, they are Scared to Death of us. They have been trying to push us into the darkness, to SHUT US UP!

Look who we have! Hillary Kicking ass for four years as SOS. Elizabeth in her first thirty or so days is Kicking the Banksters Asses! Now we have Rachel who in my mind, will be Kicking the failed Bushco's Asses to Hell and back!

They don't hate us they FEAR US! Ain't life grand!

Thanks Purveyor!!!

has been the framework for the misogyny and patriarchal hierarchy that continues to delimit our species in stultifying, often deadly ways.

However, if we look carefully, we find strong, amazing women throughout history. Ms Maddow stands on the shoulders of a plethora of brave, memorable women.

I'm sorry to say.

may be enlightened by crimes that took place.

And for informing those who managed to blind themselves to the reality back then.

However, I see people posting about war crimes trials, and that's not going to happen. I wish it would, but I know it won't.

Rep. Henry Waxman has released a report of the U.S. House of Representatives (16 March 2004) that identifies 237 misleading statements about Iraq made by President George Bush, Vice President Richard Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice in 125 public appearances.

http://www.cs.cornell.edu/gries/howbushoperates/pdf_admin_iraq.pdf

This was some pretty heady stuff back in its day.

Is the re-focus on this aimed at distracting the blow-back against the Obama administration's drone war campaign?

Ten years.

And it needs to be done.

to get the US involved in other areas overseas, such as Syria. So far, they have failed. But the other night Rachel mentioned on her show someone from the current administration (she might have literally said the White House but I cannot remember her exact words) is leaking information to try to influence public opinion regarding why the United States should assist in Syria.

Sam

...if you read the article, it mentions Maddow came out strongly criticizing the legality of Obama's drone program.

She has been consistent too, in her book Drift, she mentions how casually Americans accept drone killings, if we even know about it at all.

Here she has exclusive footage of drone strike damage in Pakistan, which caused a major anti-American backlash. She notes Obama has "tripled" Bush's drone policy, maintaining an undeclared war on Pakistan, and kept it secret to boot: http://leanforward.msnbc.com/_news/2012/06/29/12489607-maddow-exclusive-never-before-seen-footage-of-us-drone-strike-damage-in-pakistan?lite

if she will talk about the 2.3 trillion dollars in cash that is still missing.

between those times and the horrific stuff the Bush Admin got away with with hardly a contest and question and the acrobats the repugnicants are going through on Benghazi and the 'crimes' of that scene.

They project like no projector ever in any and all known or unknown universes. Yes, they are good at that, the one thing they are good at is accusing someone else of what they did a thousand fold worse.

... can indict the GWB cabal. The USG will never ever ever hold itself responsible. Commissions = kangaroo court/kabuki theater. That's right, Rachel. It's high time someone did something. It's been ten fucking years now. No, she can't really do anything, but she can damn sure tell the people what the USG and the mainstream media did to this country. And hell, that's just one thing... Think of all the rest of what they did to our country (and the world), re the economy. I really do have a headache over all this.

Does anyone know how long Rachel's documentary is? If it's only an hour, think of how much they had to cut out. Or is this going to go on all week long? Now that would be sweet.

We are supposed to believe Bush's lies about 9/11 too. Without 9/11, No Iraq war. I wish Rachel will make that jump, but I doubt it. They are too afraid. They fear backlash over the truth of 9/11.

There's video where after 2 months after 9/11 Bush says he saw the FIRST plane hit live as it happened on TV. IMPOSSIBLE! (What's more impossible is a poor black school having cable). Unless of course it was from his limo and it was all part of the plan. Because news crews didn't appear till after the hit. Why doesn't ANYONE with air time look into that? Bush said it twice. I hope this opens EVERY can of worms and we have Bush/Cheney testifying live on TV. No more behind closed doors with no notes or cameras and no DICK Cheney there to correct him and hold his hand.

Maybe Dan Rather could venture off into it. He did say all the buildings looked like a controlled demolition. He was right. IMO. They want to cry over Benghazi, well, let's really watch them cry. How did the Pentagon FAIL us? I mean the fucking Pentagon gets hit, and nobody is interested how that could possibly happen. Or that the man who was supposed to be protecting us was helping victims at the Pentagon. The 9/11 myth wouldn't even make a good movie. Too unbelievable. 19 terrorist hold up worlds biggest defense system, and got away with it for HOURS and nobody blames ANYONE except the 19 terrorist.

Or 19 terrorist who want to blow up a plane in NY fly out of Boston. LOL! Yes over a lot of military bases makes the movie more thrilling. I guess JFK was closed 09/11/01. Oh that's right, JFK didn't allow box cutters on board. Damn, foiled again.

how the phony "War on Terra" has morphed into "Very Real and Serious Threats?"

I'm certain President Looking Forward will immediately launch an investigation into this matter.

I monitor a lot of the crazy rightie websites. I can picture the heads exploding already!

It's all water under the bridge now. They lied, they started an illegal war, and they totally got away with it.

The current inhabitant of the oval office and AG's office have not only turned a blind eye to that, they are using the Bush Administration's Orwellianism as a model for their own very questionable, but not to BE questioned, actions.

Rachel Maddow and the others who worked on this expose no doubt did a kickass job, but nothing will come of it. The screwing is too entrenched.

In that legally nothing will be done.

But... maybe Cheney's heart gets a nice electrical short that does him in for good?

And little Jeb Bush sees it and decides, ""Nope, ain't gonna run. What's the use? My name is lower than dirt.""

And the next time some warmonger gets a wild idea that he/she can fool the public this review gets shoved in its face?

This whole thing is what could be called 'writing history'. One for the record books. Otherwise only the Bush side makes it through the ages.

I wished I could rec this thread a hundred times.

I think Repugs will do what they do best, ignore it. Actually, if anything, I think Cheney will get a positive charge from the fact that he perpetrated this crime and NO amount of exposure, including this effort, will ever stop him from getting away from it. I think when Jeb Bush sees the lack of affect this show has on anything, he'll just be more encouraged to run. And other prospective warmongers, too. After all, the bottom line is that there is NO ONE who is in a position to really be able to call them to accoujnt, who is also inclined to do so. I just can't see this documentary doing a thing to change that.

Cheney will react... if it is strong enough. He wasn't even invited to the last two conventions. No wonder he has a broken heart. This may just short circuit his electric heart. I sure hope I outlive the bastard and this may just be the straw that makes that come true.

Anyway, this hopefully will set the history books straight. And allow the country to see that we were misled, and allow for some republicans and right wing democrats some cover so they can openly repent their evil ways.

It will be up to all of us to make sure it becomes the BUZZ.

To me, this truth, so long delayed and hidden, is what has ruined this country and made it tough for Obama to do what he needs to do.

This could be a big tipping point for making progress. But only if we make sure it spreads.

Even if there is no hope of Justice being served in this matter, we must continue shouting the Truth from the rooftops.

Otherwise, the American Way will be more senseless slaughter based on lies.

For war criminals under 18 U.S.C. 2441 if a victim dies . . . is the death penalty.

President Obama would be signing his own death warrant if Cheney were indicted. There would be a war within the US foreign policy establishment.

Not happening.

We have been taught from childhood that no one is above the law, this program may cause all of us to question the veracity of this concept.
Follow the facts where they lead and accept the conclusions.
There were many that did not see the evidence that the Bush administration put forth as a basis for the Iraq war as credible. War crimes, possible genocide, war profiteering, etc. Perhaps it is time that a full investigation by the Congress and even an international tribunal look into the many issues surrounding this matter of the Iraq war where a legally elected government of a sovereign nation was removed.

And here I was beginning to think justice would never be done. If Rachel can play a part in throwing Cheney behind bars, let's see what she brings to the table.

Get'm Rachel.

Purveyor

Not exactly news - as it was known a decade ago, for everyone who was able to put two and two together, that the Administration of mr Bush, was lying, lying, and then some more lying for making the case for the Iraq war.
They was not even shy of making the case for war, with evidences, who was so clearly a hoax, and so full of outright lies, that even a 10 year kid should have understood it... (And most 10 years do understood it I guess)...

The US media have also been cultiple of with wash whatever the Bush administration did, the 8 year they was in office.. Regardless the war crimes - the US media was very god of making excuses, and to tell lies about it - to the evidences was coming to light, as it did when the pictures of soldiers, who proudly was showing of their victims at Abeu Girab - a prison complex, who under Saddam Hussein already had made a notorious reputation - but who under the US control, got a even worst reputation - as the US soldiers, tortured -and even murdered prisoners - and showing it off - by taking pictures of it... But the "smart" ones, higher ups, in the CIA, and in the Army, was never shown in the pictures - and will never getting any punishment for their crimes - who was plenty in the time they was in Iraq...

The US, under the administration of mr Bush - did horrible war crimes in Saddam - and the US media was giving him a free pass - also the others - who was part of the administration in one way or another - was also given a free pass, by the media - even when they more or less admitted to the crimes - and proudly was bragging about how great they had been...

It is definitely TIME for someone to step forward in the US media - to inform a a population who for the most part, have no clue what was being made in their name - the evidences for the crimes, the horrible crimes is overwhelming - and for the most part documented in books, in articles - and in many reports - who was never given to the US population, but who have circulated around the world - and possible made US a few enemies along the way too...

The WMD was a lie - flat out lie from start to end. Just people who had been brainwashed would believe that Iraq pr 2003 had any WMD whats so ever - even though the UN inspectors in Iraq, by the end of 1998 more or less had managed to mop out everything Iraq had of programs - or equipment to make any WMD... As we might know - the US and the UN inspectors in Iraq, was by 1998 asked to leave - because CIA had used the weasel of the UN inspectors - to spy on Iraq government officials - and even tried to requite soldiers - and officers to overthrow Saddam Hussain... The plot was discovered, and many iraqis lost their life in the proses - and the UN inspectors was more or less thrown out of the country...
In 2002-03, the UN inspectors was back inn the country - to look at old and new sites, to, if possible excess the possibility that Iraq had started up the programs, and had WMD weapons - the Inspectors was over all the old sites - and many new ones - who USA intelligence claimed was build to produce WMD.. The UN inspectors, led by Hans Blix, was given a report to the UN Security council, where the evidences was given - but where Hans Blix wanted more time - and more experts on the ground, to document if Iraq had any WMD programs reinstated - The Inspectors was told to F**** them self by no less than the US vice President Dick R. Cheney - and in the end the Inspectors had to leave - because the US was hellbent of going to war...

No Weapons of mass destruction was ever found - not by the UN inspectors in 2002-03 and no one by the Pentagon experts, who was given all the resources the UN inspectors was lacking because of the lack of will from the US government to provide any expert to the UN led organisation... After less than 6 mounts of "recharsh" the Pentagon officers who was there to discover any WMD programs - was either relocated to other task who had nothing with the problems around WMD - or sent back to US, where their reports since have been used as dust catches - as the documents told a whole different story about the possibility about Iraq WMD - than the Bush administration told the public...

I do not believe it is will, or courage in the US to prosecute any officials from the Bush era for what they was doing in Iraq, or in Afghanistan for that matter.. I fear, that the bulk of them, will live out their life - secure, and with no bad days, thinking about the horrible crimes they is guilty of... They know they are secure - as long as their keep their mouth shut - and not in other nations territory. As long as they hide in the US - the crimes they did, on official level - will never be punished - and some of them will even be lauded as great american - by many who really believed the US had to bomb Iraq - and to do the crimes because the possibility of Iraq using nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against the US was overwhelming by 2003.. Most americans it looks like lost their mind after 11 sept 2001.. A collective madness happened - and all reasonable thinking just blow away - and for many americans, their mind is still out in the woods somewhere - some are coming to their senses - and is trying to discover what so many others did understood already as the Bush administration was planing their war against Iraq..

And the fact, is if americans really had been educated to understand what happened in their name, in Iraq, and in many other places - I doubt somehow Bush would have been president for 8 years - but as long as they was been scared out of their minds the whole time - by the media, who ran 24/7/365 propaganda to scare the mind of of them - as long as they continued to do that - most americans was blind to the reality..

Diclotican

Do people really believe that there were WMDs? I mean sane people, not repukes. I knew there weren't any. The inspectors said so. Why would they lie?

She's narrating it, but David Corn is the author or co-author (I forget which), and he was kind enough to bring us the 47% video, which changed peoples' conversations during the election season. I hope there's a nice surprise, like a bunch of witnesses suddenly coming forward. I'm not holding my breath, though... as great as "heads will explode" sounds, Rachel does tend to overhype things ("best new thing in the world&quot .

The Stories That Led Us to War

http://www.timbuk3.com/knew.htm

I for one will not be "upset". Darth Vader and his neo-cons croonies will. But if this provokes someone in the U.K. or Hague to get off their ass and put war criminals where they belong, so be it. But I worry: Obama may have given GW lifetime Secret Service support--in executive order. Can SS stop criminal investigation/charges? Who over-rides who?

stay off of small planes. I hope she has people watching her back.

for their indirect complicity.

I am looking forward to this. I've almost given hope that Bush, Cheney, et al would ever be brought to justice.

are hopeful signs that the rule of law will return to America.