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Duer 157099

(17,742 posts) Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:19 PM Feb 2013

If I were a retiring Pope, you know what I would make my last official act?

"Sell all that you have and give it to the poor."

And I'd challenge any in the church to prove it wasn't scriptural.

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If I were a retiring Pope, you know what I would make my last official act? (Original Post) Duer 157099 Feb 2013 OP

The Catholic Church is the second largest charitable organization in The United States. onehandle Feb 2013 #1

And the church does that with BIG money from the government. Eom elfin Feb 2013 #4

A pittance compared to what Catholics put into the Community. onehandle Feb 2013 #8

How much money do you think will morally compensate.... Walk away Feb 2013 #16

The Pope is a figure head with no real power of his own. nm rhett o rick Feb 2013 #2

How about making that your first official act. GodlessBiker Feb 2013 #3

How much do you think he's got then ? dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #5

No salary TexasProgresive Feb 2013 #7

No salary just Politicalboi Feb 2013 #15

This is one of the many bible quotes Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #6

He can sell his own possessions, but........ OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #9

Actually theKed Feb 2013 #11

Perhaps, but I believe Jesus' teachings in this instance only meant one's personal possessions. OceanEcosystem Feb 2013 #12

A single Bernini sculpture would be be worth many millions. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2013 #10

Start with the Vatican Politicalboi Feb 2013 #13

I would decree that cardinals and bishops must wear pants yurbud Feb 2013 #14

That would be beautiful!! Why is it necessary for a pope to be rich? patrice Feb 2013 #17

I dont believe he is. loli phabay Feb 2013 #18

Of course! Thanks for the catch. I should reframe that question. patrice Feb 2013 #20

Clergy, including pope don't get paid LeftInTX Feb 2013 #19

Seeking immunity for SEX CRIMES from Italian President Giorgio upi402 Feb 2013 #21

onehandle

(51,122 posts)

1. The Catholic Church is the second largest charitable organization in The United States.

Reply to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:25 PM

Feb 2013

Number one is... The United States.

elfin

(6,262 posts)

4. And the church does that with BIG money from the government. Eom

Reply to onehandle (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:28 PM

Feb 2013

onehandle

(51,122 posts)

8. A pittance compared to what Catholics put into the Community.

Reply to elfin (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:40 PM

Feb 2013

Melissa Harris-Perry was talking about that just this morning.

Minorities are the main benefactors of donations that the church takes in.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)

16. How much money do you think will morally compensate....

Reply to onehandle (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:14 AM

Feb 2013

for the thousands, possibly millions of men, women and children have suffered and/or died after Ratzinger traveled all the way to Africa to tell his followers that condoms cause AIDS.

Imagine how many children were born with AIDS and then lost their parents to the disease. How much "charity" will wash away those genocidal murders?

How much of the poverty around the world has been caused by the churches war against contraceptives? The Catholic church doesn't have enough money to pay for the world wide misery it causes.

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)

2. The Pope is a figure head with no real power of his own. nm

Reply to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:26 PM

Feb 2013

GodlessBiker

(6,314 posts)

3. How about making that your first official act.

Reply to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:27 PM

Feb 2013

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)

5. How much do you think he's got then ?

Reply to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:32 PM

Feb 2013

I've never given any thought to how much he got paid for being Pope.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)

7. No salary

Reply to dipsydoodle (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:36 PM

Feb 2013

World Briefing | Europe: Vatican: Denial On Papal Salary
By Marina Harss (NYT)
Published: July 10, 2001

The Vatican spokesman, Joaquín Navarro-Valls, ended speculation about the Pope's salary, saying, ''The Pope does not and has never received a salary.'' An ambiguous statement by Cardinal Sergio Sebastiani had suggested that the Pope did receive a salary. Marina Harss (NYT)

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/10/world/world-briefing-europe-vatican-denial-on-papal-salary.html

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)

15. No salary just

Reply to TexasProgresive (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:10 PM

Feb 2013

Sanctuary from crimes he's committed.

Kingofalldems

(38,458 posts)

6. This is one of the many bible quotes

Reply to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:33 PM

Feb 2013

the fundies never bring up.

OceanEcosystem

(275 posts)

9. He can sell his own possessions, but........

Reply to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:43 PM

Feb 2013

I don't think he can sell Church property.

Not saying that that's what you were implying, but just saying, in case some people were thinking along those lines.

theKed

(1,235 posts)

11. Actually

Reply to OceanEcosystem (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:57 PM

Feb 2013

The Pope has pretty much absolute authority within the Vatican. If he wants something sold, he could likely make it happen.

OceanEcosystem

(275 posts)

12. Perhaps, but I believe Jesus' teachings in this instance only meant one's personal possessions.

Reply to theKed (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 10:00 PM

Feb 2013

I really do not think that the teaching of Jesus in this particular instance referred to selling the property of an organization that one happened to be the head of. I think it really referred only to one's personal possessions.

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)

10. A single Bernini sculpture would be be worth many millions.

Reply to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 09:51 PM

Feb 2013

And that money could feed a whole lot of people.

One example:

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)

13. Start with the Vatican

Reply to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:08 PM

Feb 2013

Give the proceeds to their many many victims.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)

14. I would decree that cardinals and bishops must wear pants

Reply to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 11:09 PM

Feb 2013

and not skirts anymore.

Those skirts are fucking creepy.

patrice

(47,992 posts)

17. That would be beautiful!! Why is it necessary for a pope to be rich?

Reply to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:56 AM

Feb 2013

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)

18. I dont believe he is.

Reply to patrice (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 01:02 AM

Feb 2013

patrice

(47,992 posts)

20. Of course! Thanks for the catch. I should reframe that question.

Reply to loli phabay (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:33 AM

Feb 2013

Too sleepy right now, though, and must take the dogs OUT!

LeftInTX

(25,375 posts)

19. Clergy, including pope don't get paid

Reply to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 02:05 AM

Feb 2013

They live "communally" and take vows of poverty. They aren't married and don't have families to support.

"Sell all that you have and give it to the poor" is one of the reasons that they do what they do.

I know, I know, the vatican is full of gold and treasures, but the average Catholic church is a fairly average church. The priests and nuns are over worked compared to Protestant clergy.

upi402

(16,854 posts)

21. Seeking immunity for SEX CRIMES from Italian President Giorgio

Reply to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Sun Feb 17, 2013, 03:05 AM

Feb 2013

This happened in 2006 when the Pope at the time asked Bush for immunity.

Wonder if that's why the church endorsed everything BushCo did?

http://www.stuartwilde.com/2013/02/popeseeks-immunity-protection-from-italian-president/

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