all that he is a truly deranged, distorted person, and nothing should be considered out of the realm of possibility for what Cheney, Bush et al did to ensure we did what we regrettably did in Iraq.

Makes my blood run cold.

Just thought I would insert it here!

on the internet and all I could find was the documentary for sale on Amazon for $10...I was pissed that I would have to pay to see it.

those who don't get MSNBC. Myself, I'll be GLUED to it!

And...maybe OTHER networks will take note and it'll seep into a Big Story in the mainstream media. Not holding my breath, but ten years ago I wouldn't have believed we'd have a Black President, either.

These things are usually available after airing on the TV, on MSNBC's web site.

His eyes frightened me. I felt pure evil emanating from him.

dismantle Social Security and all other safety net programs.
They are a truly evil bunch.

Secure, comfortable workers are bad for business. The right wing has been after Social Security since its conception.
This may not have been the only motivation for the war but it certainly factored into the method of financing the ill-conceived and illegal war.

so that people, such as myself, whose cable TV does not carry MSNBC can see it. It is news worthy since it explains why someone like Chuck Hagel would change his position on the war. Call NBC and ask them to broadcast it.

Because nobody at the big network had the courage. THEY'RE all still interested in not messing with their precious fucking access. "Oh-my-my nobody will talk to me! My sources will dry up. I won't get invited to all those chi-chi Georgetown cocktail parties anymore! Won't get to rub elbows with the high and mighty anymore..."

Rachel Maddow stands head and shoulders above them all. This is valuable information that NEEDS to be out there in the public eye, and in the public square. This was all pushed under the rug, and it's still being sanitized and rewritten and face-lifted today. What a disgrace. We were literally yelling and screaming about it! I remember so well. The petition drives. The email campaigns. The call-your-congresscritter campaigns. The letter-writing campaigns. The protests. The marches. The rallies. EVERYTHING. Nobody covered it. NOBODY asked questions. All those White House press briefings and news conferences were little more than worship sessions and softball tosses. They even had a stooge or two planted in there to lob cutesy little distractions and cream-puff questions and editorializing, to further pollute and pervert the information exchange. Result? It rendered the public neutered, disconnected, and almost irretrievably cynical. Wouldn't trust anybody at that point, even those of us trying to get the truth out there.

What an awful time.

one of the few willing to buck the status quo. I am surprised Comcast is allowing this ... unless they see truthful reporting as a new revenue stream and this is the beta.

Project for the New American Century. Scroll down to see all the signatories who launched this thing to ensure that the US would remain the only Superpower country in the world.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Cheney, Jeb, Wolfewitz, and most of the other "players" in that administration were founders and longtime members of PNAC, which had the goal of establishing the US as the sole world empire via military control of the world's oil. PNAC at one point had a list of target countries to invade and take over. Iraq was #1 on that list; Afghanistan was #2. 9/11 gave them the excuse; they simply needed to reverse the order of their 1st two targets.

Despite their pretense to the contrary, they are fully aware of the reality of peak oil and know that whoever controls the oil supply controls the world.

Destroying our economy was just an unexpected side benefit from their perspective. They honestly expected the wars to be a "cakewalk," the stolen oil to pay for the war, and to be able to continue down their wet dream of taking over all the resource-rich countries in the world.

Mainly it was being a "war presidency" so they could jack up daddy's Carlyle Group with more unneeded weapons systems and put Haliburton/KBR as their major vendor with no bid contracts. Well, increasing Cheney's net worth 400% was one of the big goals, but passing all kinds of laws where they could put anyone in jail forever for no reason other than "suspicion", and giving our oil company's control of Iraq's oil fields and building a pipeline through Afghanistan were all in the top 5 as well.

Mr big winner, who now paints peek-a-boo pictures of himself coyly hiding behind the shower curtain. The man who hides from and fears the truth, a fitting theme for his retirement artworks.
If Cheney's life were revealed in a Dorian Grey portrait we would see a bloody monster, devouring the lives and resources of others. In the background we would see nothing of his victims except a pile of their hearts, kept on ice, waiting their turn to briefly vitalize the decrepit King of the Undead.

This cannot stand.

$1 trillion cost to start...$13 trillion to gain from the effort not counting the power. No punishment too great for the Bush/Cheney cartel

profited. Individuals who were put in charge of things in Iraq profited (like some recent college grad who was put in charge of, believe it or not, setting up from scratch a city...I hope it wasn't Baghdad, but I forget which city - totally inexperienced person who was paid a ton of money for failing to do something she was almost certain to fail at).

Who else profited? I'm sure there are others.

Money earmarked to pay the families of innocent Iraqis who got in the way of our bullets.
Someone walked off with this money.

missing huge amounts of money.

Then there are the stolen treasures. Iraq was the site of the OLDEST known city in the world, so it had some of the oldest human relics in the world. The place was pillaged. No doubt some billionaires have these items sitting in their drawing rooms and basements.

What a waste. The whole damn thing.

9 Billion dollars missing from Iraq. And the scary part is that is a drop in the bucket compared to the over 2 TRILLION the pentagon can't account for.

The whole thing was a big bloody scam based on lies.

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I think that some in the GOP and god knows who else skimmed billions off of
that war. Dick Cheney did pretty good too.

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Too many don't CHOOSE to be low information voters, but are stretched so thin working, trying to take care of their families, and try to keep up by watching the nightly news. They vote, they hope that the people they helped to elect are working for the best interests of our country. They care.

Now I was a low information voter -- I just had no interest and was very cavalier. I CHOSE to be low information.

My heart goes out to the people who honestly think they're doing what is required to be a "good citizen" -- and they are.

There will always be watchdogs and those trying to spread the truth, but they're outspent and quieted.

This country breaks my heart.

Watch the Panama Deception on Youtube or Netflix. The media is intentionally deceiving us. You can see why they want to censor the internet. Jr. Bush was just following in his dad's footsteps.

Congress and the American people...)

I'm not saying the media isn't complicit at times, and true journalists would have dug deeper. But the media has become -- literally -- entertainment. They just read the "news" that comes across their desks.

The whole uranium from Niger bit in the SOTU was Bush.

I usually use Cheney because I think he his the MOST evil of them all, and the most deranged.

If the FCC had any damn nerve it would require that any "News" programming brodcast over the PUBLIC airwaves NOT be a profit generator for the Parent Company. If NBC, et al, want to run ads they can, but any revenue generated during that program needs to be donated to a publically approved charity or to JOURNALISM SCHOOLS. Anyone who chooses NOT to do this, must post or read a disclaimer at the end of every commercial break that says THIS PROGRAM IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY, HAS NOT BEEN FACT CHECKED, AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED IN ANY WAY TO BE INFORMATIONAL. IT IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY.

Rush and Glen and Billo would scream like stuck little piggies, and then in 2 weeks they would be off the fucking air.

Keeping the Public INFORMED should be its own reward, and the "Monetary Value" of a news program should be measured by how much people believe that you are trustworthy. Newsrooms should operate AT A LOSS in the country.

eom

Why we are hated by so many people on the other side of the planet? Or they just say, "They hate us for our freedoms."

eom

How could anyone have swallowed "they hate us for our freedoms" ?

Eugene Burdick and William Lederer in 1958. It was later made into a movie by the same name starring Marlon Brando.

Amazingly prophetic novel, and just as applicable to today as it was back then.

By Dave Moniz and Peronet Despeignes, USA TODAY

CRAWFORD, Texas — Paul O'Neill, President Bush's Treasury secretary in the first two years of his presidency, says the Bush administration was planning to invade Iraq long before the Sept. 11 attacks and used questionable intelligence to justify the war.

In wide-ranging interviews with the CBS program 60 Minutes and Time magazine, O'Neill said Bush and a number of top advisers began planning to get rid of Saddam Hussein soon after the 2000 election. As early as January 2001, they began looking for ways to justify an invasion, O'Neill said.

"From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein is a bad person and that he needed to go," O'Neill told 60 Minutes. "From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime."

In the interviews, O'Neill was critical of Bush's leadership skills. He said Bush is too secretive and has saddled the economy with crippling long-term debt.

Bush fired O'Neill in December 2002 after clashing with the Treasury secretary over economic issues, including Bush's $1.7 trillion in tax cuts. O'Neill is the principal source for a new book about the Bush administration, The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House and the Education of Paul O'Neill by former Wall Street Journal reporter Ron Suskind.

CONTINUED...

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-01-11-oneill-iraq_x.htm

But, like when Biden tells the truth, it's "embarrassing" and they become a subject of ridicule.

Because it wasn't forward-looking, it was criminal excusing.

the excuses from the swooners were SICKENING

there is always time to look back

And all other governments from the "coalition of the wilful criminals"

And every damn politician who voted for invasion.

Hoax sounds almost playful. This was organized crime. Follow the money. It was all about maximizing profit opportunities for "the players".

In fact, lots of people made out handsomely with the extra trillion dollars we funneled through the Pentagon. But the oil thing didn't work out so well. No problem, there is always Iran.

It worked out exactly like it was supposed to. Once we went into Iraq and took control of the oil there the American oil companies on whose behalf the war was fought suddenly had a lot less competition - and could charge whatever they wanted. Remember what happened to gas prices once we went in there? That was the whole idea.

that the hope going into this thing was that we would essentially colonize Iraq and divide the Iraqi oil fields among the big oil players (BP, Shell, etc). As it turned out, Iraq didn't take so well to being colonized. I haven't really followed the outcome closely, and I'm sure these companies found ways to get their hands on a lot of that oil revenue anyway.

And in any case, we dropped the production, which allowed the oil companies to remain the most profitable corporations in the history of the world (while paying very little by way of US taxes to help fund the war machinery that makes it all possible for them.)

up Iraq for the oil companies? Didn't someone try to get the minutes of that meeting and Cheney used Executive Privilege to keep them private? What about PNAC and the justification for going in was a 'new Pearl Harbor'?

We watched this all unfold before our eyes. Some of us here were calling them out as it happened - but the hurt of 9/11 helped let many Americans look the other way. It seems all so obvious now - looking back.

How about the Patriot Act. Wasn't that all set and written ready to be enacted if we had some justification to enact it?

Missing money in Iraq. TSA and the hassle we all went through and are still going through at the airports.

I'm thinking this documentary is just one part - a big part - of connecting the dots. There are other documentaries that need to air that expose all these other things as well.

Yellow cake. Valerie Plame. Powell's speech at the UN.

If someone wrote a fictional novel based on all this - it all follows in line - perfectly. So perfectly - people wouldn't believe it - yet it happened right before our eyes and under our noses.

I sit back now and say - who was behind all this? what was the motive? money? oil? power? complete bringdown of the United States?

Is it still going on? Hmmmm..... Citizens United? Election rigging? The fiasco of what we call Congress now?

I wonder!!!!!!!
.............................. connect the dots people - connect the dots.

We have seen this type of thing throughout history, yet no one wants to believe it about their own sacred cows. Talking about this stuff after the fact is kinda stupid.

How about watching what is going on right now ?

But I don't give a shit.

Hitler wanted Poland, so he and his goons created "border incidents" as a justification for invading Poland, triggering WW2.

Cheney (Bush was just a willing patsy,) created the "Connection to 9-11/WMD/whatever" lies as thier justification to invade Iraq, and Cheney's old Halliburton cronies made out like bandits.

But how many others will? We on DU know this already. Will this documentary reach people who do not watch Rachel?

The nation has just been looking the other way, plain and simple. Just go ahead and arrest the fuckers or STFU.

How is it that I, an ordinary person in the middle of the country, knew perfectly well from the very get-go that there was absolutely no reason to go to war, and yet almost the entire Congress and huge parts of the nation were bamboozled? I like to think I'm smart, but I'm certainly not the Genius of the Western Hemisphere. I figured it out.

It just makes me furious that now almost everyone will be saying how shocked they are, just shocked to learn this. Well, all of you out there who are so shocked, get your heads out of your asses and pay attention to something but the Kardashians or American Idol or Dancing With the Stars or whatever else it is you think is so much more important.

Was she really fooled? Did she choose to be fooled? If so, why?

However, I don't think asking members here those questions will yield much information and I would also doubt that anyone will ask Ms Clinton what her motives were. It's both disturbing and telling that very powerful people, on BOTH sides of the aisle, who either knew better or didn't and should have, joined in the beating of the war drums. Those that want to lay the blame solely at the feet of the Bush Junta, obviously weren't paying attention.

The small collection of people who hold most of the nation's money decided they wanted to seize Iraq's oil, and the machinery of state, along with all of their various corporate tentacles, set about making it happen. US media turned into a round-the-clock invasion infomercial, and the politicians dutifully got in line.

I was a Canadian stay at home mom pregnant with my 3rd, and was somewhat of a 'sheeple' (though not completely uninformed) until the point I heard the word, "Iraq" uttered in the same sentence as 9/11. I KNEW Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 (being Canadian, we had real news, thank goodness) and I instantly thought, "that FUCKER is going to lie and use 9/11 to go to war!" Turns out my entire family had the same thought (all conservatives by the way).

Honestly I didn't think anyone was going to go along with it, especially once the protests started up. Let's just say the 'whole Iraq thing' totally made the entire world look down in disgust with the US. I was never a huge fan of our Prime Minister at the time, but when he announced we would not join the US in Iraq like we had in Afghanistan, I let out a cheer. HE knew, as did a huge chunk of the rest of the world. And we all wondered how could the US government be so bamboozled?? I suppose the only answer is...they weren't. Which is definitely worse.

When I first started hearing Bush, Cheney, et. al talk about going to war in Iraq starting in August 2002, I remember my first reaction as being:



Nothing said after that point changed my mind either. I had initially hoped that Powell, if anybody, would talk Bush down at the last moment but, no, he signed onto the neocon plans even though we now know that he had sincere doubts about the endeavor. When it finally appeared inevitable that it was going to happen no matter what, I began hoping that maybe I was wrong or that I had overlooked something because I lacked the intelligence reports that Bush, Cheney, et. al had. Turns out that, nope, I hadn't. No WMD and certainly no "threat" to the US or anybody outside of Iraq. Simple as that.

He accessed intel over the years that no other Dem official could have seen.

The DC Dems trusting that unseen intel supported the possibility of WMDs didn't happen entirely in a vacuum.

and was given a load of horse manure about how he'd been given briefings that contained top secret information, and so of course he was voting to go to war on information I didn't have. Such crap!

For one thing, why in the world is it necessary to make that information secret? Secondly, everything that was actually out there was clearly a pack of lies. Scott Ritter kept on screaming to high heaven that there was nothing there. Not to mention we kept on being told that Saddam had kicked out the inspectors, which was totally false. Our government had pulled them out, in the face of absolutely no evidence of WMD, basically because if they let them stay and conclusively prove no WMDs it would be much harder to perpetuate the lie.

In any case, the information about no WMDs was completely and totally out there, but of course all of the MSM went along with the lies of the Bushies, never allowing any dissenting voices to be heard, only putting on the air those who were enthusiastic about going to war, who said it would be a cake walk and cost a couple of million dollars, tops. Again, anyone and everyone who was remotely sentient knew this was all totally false, and I just want to scream in the ears of those who now, once again actually, are saying they didn't know, no one could have known, the intelligence was there and on and on. Fuckers.

Especially your closing sentence.

And who was it who recently said that everyone thought there were WMD, based on the available intel? Hans Blix didn't think so, and he was in a very good position to know. He became a non-person very quickly.

The war has been about money... I've read that last year they found a trillion dollar lithium deposit. A rare metal, very rare, that is used in phones, comps etc...

n/t

They chose to testify in secret with no minutes being taken, I assumed that everyone either KNEW they lied or just stopped caring. There's NO debate left...

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for the truth about such matters to see the light of day.

What ever DID happen to the Maine????

will be dead in the next 5-10 years. Half of them are dead now.

Once that happens, the only hope of getting any more of the truth exposed is:

1) Secret documents emerging

2) Hearsay reported by people who feel more freedom to talk after others have died.

So even though it has been 10 years, I'm glad that MSNBC is pushing the Iraq war stuff while people are still alive to to be held accountable. And the damndest thing about the Iraq war is that they did almost all of that in plain sight. Then they came back later and said, "how could we have known none of the premises were true? We all got suckered."

As Maddow will point out, we didn't all get suckered. Millions of us froze our butts off protesting this in February, a month before the invasion started. And I vividly remember that day. The various speakers addressed every one of the Bush claims, and pointed out the body of evidence already openly available, showing that those claims were all bogus.

So, so many people of all stripes pouring out of Grand Central, flooding 3rd avenue. The cross streets to 2nd avenue were closed and we snuck through the barricades (with Morgan Freeman) somewhere in the 70's. 2nd Ave was a literal sea of people. My first protest since the 60's and my daughter's first at age 11.

Too bad it was ignored by the press and pols. We were right. They lied, and I for one will not forget.

me walk quite a circuitous route to the protest.

None of this is anything new. There were hundreds of people here pointing out the lies as cheny and bush we spewing them. You do go back through the archives and read what DU members were saying at the time, they were spot on.

Need to keep in mind what that would then mean for President Obama when his second term is up. I just dont think that would be a good precedent and would put all future democratic presidents at risk of trial and imprisonment on trumped up charges at the end of their terms. Remember we are talking about a very petty vindictive republican party.

Should we have turned our back and ignored the Holocaust? We are talking about war crimes, not speeding tickets. If Obama's drone policy is deemed to be a war crime, so be it. Over 100,000 (and that figure is probably light), for what?

it wouldn't bother you to see Obama go to jail after his terms because that is exactly what the repubs would do. Do they deserve to go to jail with out a doubt yes, but if that precedent is started every president from here on out especially dems would be locked up for some trumped up charges.

millions of innocent civilians to death as "collateral damage" and "price to do politics", just so they can play their sick power grabbing games.

let us not be rewriters of history like the repugnicants.

Amy Goodman:

... many say that, although president Bush led this invasion, that president Clinton laid the groundwork with the sanctions and with the previous bombing of Iraq. You were president Clinton’s U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations.... the U.N. sanctions, for example ... led to the deaths of more than a half a million children, not to mention more than a million Iraqis.

Governor Richardson:

Well, I stand behind the sanctions. I believe that they successfully contained Saddam Hussein. I believe that the sanctions were an instrument of our policy.

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how soon you forget. No wonder the U.S. doesn't have universal health care and things much less rich countries have. they can't remember past a certain time frame and especially can't remember when it is their own party dude doing the bombin' an the killin'.

After he started the Iraq war that "Saddam wouldn't let the inspectors in". He made it on at least two occasions. Hans Blix and the UN inspectors had been there for months and were kicked out by Bush so he could start the war. As the UN inspectors reported by to the UN, Iraq had no WMD and had no WMD program that could lead to WMD. Why Bush had to say this is because the war authorization was specific to UN WMD inspection teams to have unlimited access, which they did after a brief pushback regarding Saddam's private castles. The war Bush fought is not the war Congress authorized. That should have been an impeachable offense right there.

I thought that having the inspectors in there and not finding anything would make a difference. Nope. They were bound and determined to get their war on, damn the torpedoes!

I blame Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield/Wolfowitz/ etc, that whole bunch and just as much big media for gross enabling with prejudice and pom poms.

And now - The R's drone on about Obama and the debt when they know it's the bogus war expense and tax cuts for their wealthy buddies/donors. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out witch tells us how dumb most of the tea party is.

Now if only people like Chuck Todd and David Gregory would do their jobs instead of licking the R's boots so the people that are trying to run the US in the ground won't cut off their access.

People like Greg Palast eg, is unable to provide the American with his investigative news material. And Ashley Banfield who dared to tell the truth just about what she actually saw in Afghanistan after our bombs fell on those people, was taken off the air. Even people like Christiane Amanpour was prevented from reporting the truth on CNN at the time, or even questioning the 'reporting' and was trashed with impunity on Fox the main State Propaganda channel.

In 'Capitalism A Love Story' after Congress was forced back to revote on the Corporate Welfare Bailout against the will of the people, MM asked Marcy Kaptur, 'would you call what happened there a Coup D'Etat'? She answered 'yes'.

As Thomas Jefferson said about Big Corporations and Banks 'they are more of a threat to a nation than a standing army' once they gain the kind of power they obviously have gained over this country.

And when the people finally rose up in the of OWS, they were crushed and we have people even on this democratic board, who have no problem with that.

We get the government, and the media, we deserve. Maybe one day the people will wake up and stop supporting their own oppression, but so far Bush/Cheney and the rest of the Wall Street and War Criminals, have nothing to worry about.

It's clear that Chenney, Rumsfeld and the neo-con cabal worked very carefully and effectively to rope as many patsies in as they could. Powell, Rice, Bush and congress were given their scripts and they followed them.

and the same for war crimes. Maybe after the airing of this documentary, some attorney general in one of our states will step forward and file.

http://www.prosecutegeorgebush.com

Regardless of the horrendous damage Bush has inflicted upon Iraq and this country, George W. Bush is planning to walk away from the greatest crime ever committed by an American President. He took this country to war under false pretenses. He lied to the Congress and the rest of the American people in order to start his war with Iraq. How can we let this happen? Is there anything we can do about it? Vincent Bugliosi has come up with a remarkable solution in his latest book, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder. After reading the book it becomes obvious that impeachment, even if it was "on the table," was not justice.

Source: http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/143772/index.php

"Bugliosi meticulously lays out a case against George W. Bush for purposefully deceiving the United States into war, thereby causing over 4,000 U.S. soldier deaths and 100,000-plus civilian Iraqi deaths and counting." "Bugliosi is in a good position as a former prosecutor to ask--on behalf of millions of people--why should someone who accidentally kills a person in a liquor store holdup be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, yet someone who creates death and destruction on an unimaginable scale sail off into the sunset and have a library named after them? Is U.S. law based on justice, or whim?"

From the The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder website:

"A searing indictment of the President and his administration, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder also outlines a legally credible pathway to holding our highest government officials accountable for their actions, thereby creating a framework for future occupants of the oval office." Any state attorney, and many county-level district attorneys, can prosecute George W. Bush for murder and conspiracy to commit murder. To establish jurisdiction for murder, a U.S. soldier who died in Iraq would have to be from that state, or from that local county. And every U.S. state has lost at least one resident to the war in Iraq. We couldn't do anything about George Bush while he was in office. But now some brave prosecutor in this country, armed with the information in Mr. Bugliosi's book, can bring this war-criminal to trial.

or popcorn?

is the rule of law just for us plebes?

k/r

New evidence?! Jesus Fucking Christ. Did they also dig up new evidence indicating that north is polar opposite to south?

It was plain as day-- especially if you read any foreign media-- that the administration's claims were bogus. But no one with a microphone in the US would acknowledge that obvious fact, or even ask some very obvious, logical questions.

because it would be good for TV ratings etc.?

I remember hearing about the Rumsfeld thing back before the invasion or shortly afterward, for example. There were also reports by intelligence insiders saying that the White House was forcing them to create false intelligence, and there were plenty of other reports indicating the rationale for going to war was based entirely on lies.

Just like then, however, this "new evidence" isn't going to do anything to bring the Bush junta to justice.

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He freakin' disappeared as soon as his time was up. Gee, Tommy, why didn't you stick around for all the glory?

Even worse, they managed to escape facing justice. What a sad world we live in these days, sigh.

This report contains 237 claims for specific misleading statements made by:

* Colin Powell
* Donald Rumsfeld
* Condoleezza Rice
* George W. Bush
* Dick Cheney

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_on_the_Record_Report

This MoJo timeline was great: http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline

When Colin Powell said Iraq had no WMD capabilities.
I still have no respect for him not for changing his tune, but for jumping in with that crowd to begin with. Before he did, Bush had no foreign policy credibility and even the MSM were saying that he'd never win like that.
As far as I can remember, it was a rarity to have a cabinet selection announced so early and so many people are oddly in awe of Powell.
I don't respect him, but he's not stupid and I'm sure he knew what the republicans were like. So why did he willingly go along?

He'd said on that trip to Egypt Hussein "has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors." I don't know what happened to make him do a complete 180 but, imo, his presentation sealed the deal of approval for many people. I hadn't known about his involvement in My Lai and Iran/Contra and that he'd been considered a 'consummate team player' all along. Just another blood-thirsty warmonger to me now, imo.

How twisted is that?

That's what always got me. Once the war commenced, the GWB Administration kept coming up with NEW REASONS to justify the war.

The reason for going to war should be absolute and unchangeable!

-90% Jimmy

I am looking forward to this, but I don't expect many new revelations. Anybody who saw Colin Powell holding up cartoons as "proof" that Iraq had "mobile weapons labs" already knew this war was a huge scam. But, many thanks to Rachel for telling it. Far too many people still don't get it, and hopefully, this will wake up at least some of them.

That's what they did.

The American form of government is simply incapable of holding its top officials accountable. Even Nixon was allowed to walk.

that we have fallen for this scam again and again through our history? (Free press, my a**)

The international law means nothing. There is no law for Bush, Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz, Powell, ect. US Justice is a joke.

Nothing new here.

but what will be done about it? two things; jack, and shit.